You should read my post more carefully. I did not refer at all to the Mini hybrid, I explicitly quoted only wrt to electrical performance, but I apologise if it appears out of context.Lavaine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:18 pmAnd this is the problem with modern technology: People don't understand what they are talking about, but pretend they are experts. The Mini PHEV isn't an electric car. It's a plug-in hybrid. It has plenty of range in all weather. As for the supposed 5% of quoted range, and your students friend not being able to drive 60 miles, one is pure BS, and the other is lying or drives like a complete ass all the time. In a Northern Canadian WInter, owner experience is a loss of ~30-40% of range on the coldest days. This would give a short range Tesla a range of about 200km at normal highway speeds of 100-110 km/h. On the track owners have found a Model S good for about an hour of all-out track time, probably somewhere in the range of 100-150km. On the highway at full throttle, the car should be capable for in excess of 150km (although due to inadequate cooling, top speed will reduce at some point from 155 mph to around 130-140mph.H0rati0 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:49 amThis is the delusion with electric cars. Use the power for any length of time and the battery will give maybe 5% of the quoted range, not to mention probably overheating.
I see Teslas on the autobahn once in a while. They're the ones in the inside lane doing 50mph with the trucks while everybody else hammers by.
One of my students (he is an engineer) has a neighbour with a Tesla. Midwinter he can't make it from Bernau to Munich, a distance of 60 miles.
You are being sold snake oil.
I agree that range needs to be improved for winter climates in particular, but everything you said above is pure garbage and not in any way related to the part of my post that you quoted.
There is no need to proffer personal insults, I understand exactly what I am talking about and am more than happy to have the drains up at any level with you. With any battery pack, asking for full power will dramatically reduce operating time and lead to abnormal heating. You appear to agree even if you quibble over the exact percentage reduction which of course depends on power delivery profile.
Normal highway speeds in Germany are typically 140 - 160 Kmph (90-100mph). In winter with climate, battery heating etc and traffic congestion your high performance range of 100 - 150 Km approximates the distance (60 mls/100km) & conditions I was talking about. Fact is his neighbour didn't make it and many factors could affect that, eg I do not know the spec of that car. Whatever, he was surprised at the limited range compared to what he had been told.
That said, I do agree that hybrids and maybe pure electrics (electric motors are more or less ideal powerplants) will be the way to go at some point (unless fuel cells overtake first) but comparing electric and ICE should be done on a level playing field, ie excluding taxes and incentives while honestly assessing life time costs. Today, I believe EVs come out expensive, are oversold and propagandised. One day, maybe soon they will make sense but hyping them up does not impress.