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I don’t agree and feel that this is where you were ‘hard’ or at least clunky and heavy handed. Your tone came over as a formal order/instruction rather than a friendly request!

We all know that the written word is not ideal to convey tone and so much more care should be taken by moderators not to appear like Sergeant’s barking orders for no reason!

Generally, from my perspective, Kip gets it about right. The rest of the mod team not so much imo!
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paw3001 wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 pm
I don’t agree and feel that this is where you were ‘hard’ or at least clunky and heavy handed. Your tone came over as a formal order/instruction rather than a friendly request!

We all know that the written word is not ideal to convey tone and so much more care should be taken by moderators not to appear like Sergeant’s barking orders for no reason!

Generally, from my perspective, Kip gets it about right. The rest of the mod team not so much imo!
This forum has clearly defined 'rules' which are oft referred to by Mods when they step in or pass comment on posts.

Having looked back through this thread I can't see which rules have been breached. There often seems to be a blurred line between what is in contravention of the rules and what offends a particular Mods sensibilities.

Strange for me ( as a fifty something ) to say but I think the forum suffers a bit through being moderated by a group of males from a certain demographic and also, potentially, form a fairly narrow socio-economic segment.

I am not saying there is anything deliberate, it has just turned out that we have a set of Mods who, to generalise, seem to have an aversion to any kind of cut and thrust exchanges between the grown adults on here.

I therefore decided that this year I either needed to stop posting and walk away ( metaphorically of course ) or just post benignly. I chose the latter because life is too short.....until know. I lasted more than a month on the new regime so more of a success than dry January!!!

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PaulJS wrote:
paw3001 wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 pm
I don’t agree and feel that this is where you were ‘hard’ or at least clunky and heavy handed. Your tone came over as a formal order/instruction rather than a friendly request!

We all know that the written word is not ideal to convey tone and so much more care should be taken by moderators not to appear like Sergeant’s barking orders for no reason!

Generally, from my perspective, Kip gets it about right. The rest of the mod team not so much imo!
This forum has clearly defined 'rules' which are oft referred to by Mods when they step in or pass comment on posts.

Having looked back through this thread I can't see which rules have been breached. There often seems to be a blurred line between what is in contravention of the rules and what offends a particular Mods sensibilities.

Strange for me ( as a fifty something ) to say but I think the forum suffers a bit through being moderated by a group of males from a certain demographic and also, potentially, form a fairly narrow socio-economic segment.

I am not saying there is anything deliberate, it has just turned out that we have a set of Mods who, to generalise, seem to have an aversion to any kind of cut and thrust exchanges between the grown adults on here.

I therefore decided that this year I either needed to stop posting and walk away ( metaphorically of course ) or just post benignly. I chose the latter because life is too short.....until know. I lasted more than a month on the new regime so more of a success than dry January!!!

Cheers,

Paul
I quite agree and do feel that the mods are potentially causing more harm to the growth of the forum with their overzealousness.

However, this is just feedback, they can take it or leave it but I am sure we will be told to get the topic back on track as God forbid a conversation actually develops!
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^^^
Ok I'll take the risk of what might follow these comments either from a Mod asking for this topic to return to it's true track or from members that have already stated their view.

Being the person on the other side of the "offending" posts I will state that AVO (excuse the abbreviation) was absolutely correct to ask us "Gentlemen" to stop the spat and return to the topic. It had gone way of track and was on the edge of being personal. If I offended anybody it wasn't intentional.

Let's now return this to a discussion about the move of Chris Ward away from the Company - if anybody wishes to continue the comments about Mods, how to phrase wording on posts or the use of punctuation or symbols then please start a separate thread.

EDIT - Just re-read my post and there was a BIG mistake on it - I gave the impression that I had gone out to offend because I wrote "was intentional" instead of "wasn't intentional" - Pardon me for my error.

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Well, I still feel that the company should be more forthcoming regarding Chris leaving.

Whilst he may have been a ‘minor’ director out of the three founders. It is still his name and reputation that is out in the public and some of us actually care about this stuff. A company built around an actual person without that person can only be diminished in my view no matter its future success.

In any case, I think we have all learned something from this thread and that’s who to converse with and who not too as I certainly never set out to offend people!


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For a company who are very keen to tell the story about how they were formed, the silence is deafening about the founder whose name remains on the dial.

The questions will continue to be asked until more details are shared imho.
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I don't think anyone is entitled to know the exact reasons for Chris leaving. As long as quality control and service is maintained, we're not entitled to anything really. Yes it's his name, but then again today what does the name Bowers & Wilkins mean on the company's speakers when said gentlemen have long since left or died?

Let it go, really.

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Lots of strong views here, I think we should remember that we (forum members) are in the minority of CW customers. We are perhaps more likely as enthusiasts (some for a long time/since the start) to have built a relationship with CW the brand and in some cases Mr CW the person so feel more invested than the majority who go to CW to buy a nice watch maybe once or twice.
As a brand Im unsure that CWH Ltd would want to shout from the rooftops that Mr CW has left, potential customers who are less close may worry what this means in terms of continuation, quality of the brand etc. and it might negatively impact sales. Many may not even realise that there is a guy still (until recently) still involved called CW.
1) We may be curious or interested etc but have absolutely no right to know anything about the inner workings of a Ltd Co or employment decisions of an individual. Unless they choose to share.
2) There is a clear difference between the brand and the person. The founders could have called it anything all those years ago e.g. Marloe, Bremont, Surrey Swisseng, 'X brand' whatever etc and the name would mean nothing in relation to an individual. The product would be the same, great watches and likely we'd all be members of the 'X' forum now.
3) Given the above, silence is probably the safest corporate option in terms of protecting the wider brand and not causing unnecessary uncertainty or speculation in the wider market for their products.

We may not all agree in this thread but we are all passionate (to a greater or lesser extent) about the brand, product and watches in general so lets express our opinions but not beat each other up. Lifes too short and its a hobby, if you don't like the change its easy, dont buy the product.
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May or may not be relevant: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12355706
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This may be related . . . https://ward-bros.com/password

Nothing there, yet.
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Purely speculation...

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meinberg wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:20 pm
This may be related . . . https://ward-bros.com/password

Nothing there, yet.
Very interesting indeed and I've signed up.

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I'm still waiting for the CW rebrand....

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Maybe a retail outlet for CW?
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That’s got Christopher’s Wife on the board so it’s definitely him. Madness.

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