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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Mikkei4 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:42 pm

If it's only via order with W&W is it still on 60/60 guarantee?
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Mikkei4 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:42 pm
Nice first try maybe for a pointer function watch but, as has been the case recently, there's too much detail and this time on a small(er) dial.

Another model not for me except that again the name logo reverts to 12 (which IMO is a positive) when, as far as I can see, there's nothing in the design that would have prevented it being at 9, except maybe at W&W insistence or CW decision?

If it's only via order with W&W is it still on 60/60 guarantee?

The basic design without the date ring and other multiple dial rings but using the 3,6,9,12 markers could work well in a simple dial at that size?
I think the pointer date could still work on this size, but something along the lines of the Aquis SoL dial.

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Add applied indices with raised Arabic 12-3-6-9 around the outside and a simple printed minute track and I would be contacting Fat-Sam about my Sandhurst :lol:
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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I'm sorry but these are truly awful - I'm trying to think of a positive, I really am, but I'm struggling. Like something I'd see with Fossil stamped on the dial and 'on sale' for 70% off in at outlet village. What are you doing CW? You really are better than this.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Fat-Sam wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:32 pm
I quite like it and was considering a Sandhurst anyway as my next CW but really dislike canvas straps and don’t want to have to pay extra for a steel bracelet.
I have a Sandhurst and recently got the bracelet for it separately. Normally don't like bracelets but the 38mm C65's is really nice. Looks and feels like a whole new watch and with quick change going back to straps is a breeze.

I also think the Sandstorm's dial looks a little busy but do like the pointer date.
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TigerChris wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 pm
I'm sorry but these are truly awful - I'm trying to think of a positive, I really am, but I'm struggling. Like something I'd see with Fossil stamped on the dial and 'on sale' for 70% off in at outlet village. What are you doing CW? You really are better than this.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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TigerChris wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 pm
I'm sorry but these are truly awful - I'm trying to think of a positive, I really am, but I'm struggling. Like something I'd see with Fossil stamped on the dial and 'on sale' for 70% off in at outlet village. What are you doing CW? You really are better than this.
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Why don’t they stick to what they do better than most. These deviations are dreadful.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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I think that some are not grasping that these were designed by Worn and Wound in collaboration with CW. This is what W+W wanted.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm
Mikkei4 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:42 pm

If it's only via order with W&W is it still on 60/60 guarantee?
From the WindUp Shop details;-

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Thanks Guy.

Sorry but I should have been more specific in my question as I was curious if having to buy direct through W&W affected the other part of the 60/60, i.e the ability to return within 60 days.

Just curiosity though as I'm not interested as a buyer.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Too small for me and fair enough they are a bit different for CW - but I would never buy so don't have strong feelings either way. If the case size starts with a 3, it's not for me.

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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Kip wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:27 pm
timor54 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:12 pm

WRT the previous question about ordering, it would seem that they can only be ordered direct from W&W in US$; but fulfilment is direct from CW in the UK. Raises all sorts of questions about tax, import duties, etc.
Not sure what questions..seems if you are in the UK all things are normal. If elsewhere you are subject to normal fees/duties etc.

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My experience in the UK is that there is a clear difference between where an item sold is invoiced and where it is fulfilled from. A real world watch related example: I ordered a Strapcode bracelet on Amazon; it was invoiced in the UK with a UK VAT number and was shipped to me direct from Hong Kong. It was intercepted by UK Customs who tried to charge me VAT and import duty, but upon presentation of the VAT receipt they rolled over and let it through. If it's invoiced in the UK it's a UK sale.

Now I'm sure such rules are different in other countries but I still think there are ambiguities around this arrangement. If a UK customer buys one of these and gets it shipped within the UK then nobody will be the wiser. But there must be potential potholes in other regions.

In the USA is you buy something from a USA retailer and presumably pay local/state/federal sales taxes, but it is actually delivered from overseas what are the rules about duty liabilities if it's fulfilled from the UK?

Then what if there's three regions involved? A customer in Europe buying this watch from the USA that is fulfilled from the UK. What duties are they liable for from which tax jurisdiction? (don't mention brexit - lets keep that s£$t-show out of this discussion... :silent: )
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Kip wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
I think that some are not grasping that these were designed by Worn and Wound in collaboration with CW. This is what W+W wanted.
As can be seen from some of the responses I doubt that making that point known will make any difference - I think these will still be considered as a CW watch and those design points considered as poor will be placed upon CW's designer shoulders just as they would have received the congratulations and plaudits if it was accepted as a great and well liked design.

I find it difficult to understand that CW had no input or made no guiding comments about W&W's suggested design(s) but maybe that's me either being cynical or lacking knowledge of the relationship between W&W and CW (which of course I do lack).

Anyhow it's only our opinions on first sight of the watches and the wider public will vote with their wallets and credit cards.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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StrappedUp wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:09 pm
Mikkei4 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:42 pm
Nice first try maybe for a pointer function watch but, as has been the case recently, there's too much detail and this time on a small(er) dial.

Another model not for me except that again the name logo reverts to 12 (which IMO is a positive) when, as far as I can see, there's nothing in the design that would have prevented it being at 9, except maybe at W&W insistence or CW decision?

If it's only via order with W&W is it still on 60/60 guarantee?

The basic design without the date ring and other multiple dial rings but using the 3,6,9,12 markers could work well in a simple dial at that size?
I think the pointer date could still work on this size, but something along the lines of the Aquis SoL dial.

Image

Add applied indices with raised Arabic 12-3-6-9 around the outside and a simple printed minute track and I would be contacting Fat-Sam about my Sandhurst :lol:
Agree - the Oris design is simpler and works.
e.g. On the W&W CW I don't see why the 5minute numerals are needed as there's baton markers at 5mins intervals already.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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I think the black out version is poor but the other version looks great. Yes, it may get a little busy given its small size but I'm really interested in seeing real life photos.
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Re: C65 Sandstorm Chronometers

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Kip wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
I think that some are not grasping that these were designed by Worn and Wound in collaboration with CW. This is what W+W wanted.
Sorry Kip but thats clutching at straws there - CW's name is on the dial, the fact that it says Worn and Wound on the caseback makes not one jot of difference - it's a Christopher Ward watch, pure and simple. They didn't have to agree to the design and put their name to it did they. It says Jaguar on the dial of several Bremonts, still a Bremont; says Range Rover on some Zeniths, still a Zenith. Christopher Ward were quick enough to accept the plaudits of the well designed Morgan watches - You can't take the praise for a good collaboration but pass the book for a bad one, they can't have it both ways I'm afraid. These look garbage.
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