Does anyone know why they moved away from the Bader buckle? (I know they still have one for sale on their site) I loved how it created a clean design with the excess band on the inside.

If you use these type of bands, where do you get yours from?

No idea, I guess they consider it a dress clasp and most of the lineup is in the sport range?? The last time I am aware of it being offered was on the C5 Malvern Revival. I like a deployant clasp, just so much easier than a fiddly pin buckle. I put this on my Zenith from StrapsCo. Nice quality and you’ll notice, rather than a pin going through the pinhole in the band, it has a fold over clasp that clamps down on the band to give infinite adjustability. Works great on this setup, approx 2mm thick. Not sure it would work on a thicker, 4mm, tibor style, although I have been meaning to correspond with them to ask if they have anything that would. They do come in different widths. They are available on the Bay or the StrapsCo website. Hope this helps.

I really like that one. I’m currently using the one I bought on my leather band from Christopher Ward on the tide straps for a more sporty look too. Think I’ll buy the one you have shown here.

watchaholic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:26 am No idea, I guess they consider it a dress clasp and most of the lineup is in the sport range?? The last time I am aware of it being offered was on the C5 Malvern Revival. I like a deployant clasp, just so much easier than a fiddly pin buckle. I put this on my Zenith from StrapsCo. Nice quality and you’ll notice, rather than a pin going through the pinhole in the band, it has a fold over clasp that clamps down on the band to give infinite adjustability. Works great on this setup, approx 2mm thick. Not sure it would work on a thicker, 4mm, tibor style, although I have been meaning to correspond with them to ask if they have anything that would. They do come in different widths. They are available on the Bay or the StrapsCo website. Hope this helps.

I like that!

I’m a big fan of the bader style and butterfly deployants and add them to as many of my straps as I can, where appropriate. I’ve purchased butterfly styles from WatchGecko. All the bader style I have were purchased here on the forum or came with CW straps. I bet an internet search of omega style clasps will turn something up on Amazon. I’ve had this bookmarked for awhile, but have never ordered one, so I can’t vouch for it.

watchaholic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:26 am No idea, I guess they consider it a dress clasp and most of the lineup is in the sport range?? The last time I am aware of it being offered was on the C5 Malvern Revival. I like a deployant clasp, just so much easier than a fiddly pin buckle. I put this on my Zenith from StrapsCo. Nice quality and you’ll notice, rather than a pin going through the pinhole in the band, it has a fold over clasp that clamps down on the band to give infinite adjustability. Works great on this setup, approx 2mm thick. Not sure it would work on a thicker, 4mm, tibor style, although I have been meaning to correspond with them to ask if they have anything that would. They do come in different widths. They are available on the Bay or the StrapsCo website. Hope this helps.

I have a few of these bader style clasps from strapsco. I have one on my CW Tiber strap, thick as it is. It’s a tight fit, and I might’ve had to fiddle with the little wings that hold the strap in place, but it works. It doesn’t have the infinite adjustment though.

ScottinVA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:43 am Does anyone know why they moved away from the Bader buckle? (I know they still have one for sale on their site) I loved how it created a clean design with the excess band on the inside.

If you use these type of bands, where do you get yours from?

In my opinion, and I’ve stated this before, CWs Bader clasps are the best on the market.

I have 3 or 4 of these, even though my watches are now on bracelets, I still think they’re great. So neat and clean around the wrist.

I've picked up quite a few omega style clasps from eBay. They used to be only a few pounds, so you could experiment inexpensively, but they are a bit more expensive now. I like the way the strap keeps its appearance and doesn't get creased in a way a normal buckle creases a strap.

The thing is the strap lengths need to be different. Where a pin buckle strap might be 85/120, a bader clasp needs something like 100/105, and ideally no keepers. Using a "normal" strap length can position the watch incorrectly on the wrist.

I found 18mm clasps for a 20/18 strap worked well on standard length straps, but 20mm clasps for a 22/20 strap were less successful as the clasp is longer, and doesn't easily tolerate adjusting the position on the wrist.

In passing, Watchgecko had a differently shaped bader clasp on their Edwin strap, which they had on sale for less than to the cost of the clasp on its own at one point.

It's worth remembering, or perhaps newish members to the Forum are unaware, that the Bader deployant buckle is a patented CW in-house design, introduced during 2013 and first used on the strap for the C8 Regular.

The story behind it may be found as a Snippet from Loupe in the CWArchive.

Guy

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:12 am It's worth remembering, or perhaps newish members to the Forum are unaware, that the Bader deployant buckle is a patented CW in-house design, introduced during 2013 and first used on the strap for the C8 Regular.

The story behind it may be found as a Snippet from Loupe in the CWArchive.

Guy

Your post prompted me to have a closer look, and I never previously appreciated the different mechanism. I take it the Omega version is a dexel clasp, (which also seems to be the same as the cheaper Chinese copies). The push buttons move two independent arms. With the Bader clasp, the arms are fixed, and as the article points out, the central button fixing the strap also becomes part of of the release mechanism.

It still seems a shame that the Bader closure isn't offered as an option with all CW watches/straps, as it looks more elegant, and presumably extends the life of any strap. I appreciate CW would need to reconsider the strap manufacture, as the lengths are different, but I would pay a premium for the bader clasp. I mean the cordovan leather CW use is terrific, but the Bader clasp also adds to the package.

I know you can't put a normal tang on a bader strap, because there is no cutout for the pin, (and no keepers), but if there was a cutout, would it work, or would the different strap lengths affect the way the watch would wear?

^^^^ The different strap lengths mess it all up.

That is, using a Bader Deployant on a regular 80/125 or 85/120 strap, puts the Bader in the 'wrong' place on your wrist..

Guy

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:16 pm ^^^^ The different strap lengths mess it all up.

That is, using a Bader Deployant on a regular 80/125 or 85/120 strap, puts the Bader in the 'wrong' place on your wrist..

JAFO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:11 pm I know you can't put a normal tang on a bader strap, because there is no cutout for the pin, (and no keepers), but if there was a cutout, would it work, or would the different strap lengths affect the way the watch would wear?

I’ve found it generally works for me on standard length straps when I reverse the strap ends from their normal position on the watch.

EDITED TO ADD: I just realized I misread your post, Steve. You’re asking about adding a normal buckle to a bader strap, but I responded in reference to adding a bader deployant to a normal strap.

This is all, seriously, interesting to me. I don't have a single watch on a Bader and as I have a couple of watches on quite fiddly pin & buckles so after I've read the archive article, I may have to investigate further.

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:16 pm ^^^^ The different strap lengths mess it all up.

That is, using a Bader Deployant on a regular 80/125 or 85/120 strap, puts the Bader in the 'wrong' place on your wrist..

Guy

I've never tried with a Bader clasp, as mine are all on CW cordovan straps, but I can see what you mean.
The 20mm and 18mm Bader clasps are both the same length.

However, here's an 18mm Chinese clasp (on CW piccari - the top strap), and an 18mm CW clasp (on cordovan)

The Chinese 18mm clasp is much shorter, as you can see and more gently curved, and works OK on a 80/125mm, although you still have a redundant keeper. Chinese 20mm clasps are longer, like the Bader clasps, and don't work as well for the reason you mentioned.

The lower two pictures show the piccari strap fitted the wrong way round (as Andrew pointed out). Now the clasp fits on the other side of the wrist, and it works ok. It's even ok with the strap the correct way round. The shorter clasps are more forgiving. This doesn't work so well with a 20mm clasp though which is much longer. A shorter 20mm clasp would be OK.

ScottinVA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:39 am I really like that one. I’m currently using the one I bought on my leather band from Christopher Ward on the tide straps for a more sporty look too. Think I’ll buy the one you have shown here.

Glad to help, as some have pointed out you may need to swap the straps from side to side so it fits the back of your wrist, but a simple fix and wort the effort IMO.
Good luck.

Decided to convert a few of my existing CW bands to a Bader deployment clasp. Love the look. By the way, it should be illegal to sell any band that doesn’t have a quick release. I love that about Christopher Ward bands.