C60 Trident Pro 300 - missing micro adjustment positions

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C60 Trident Pro 300 - missing micro adjustment positions

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Hello all,

quick question from a newbie. I just received my first CW - a C60 Trident Pro 300 and so far I'm impressed.

I just got a bit confused since I ordered a bracelet resize and it didn't fit. I thought this might be fixable with the micro adjustment, which CW claims to add 10mm and should give me 5 micro adjustment positions. However, the micro adjustment only allows me to extend one half link (~5mm) and I only get 3 micro adjustment positions from my clasp.
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Is the clasp supposed to be like that or did Christopher Ward change it? Maybe I'm missing something. In the handbook it still stated 10mm/5 micro adjustment positions. Also on older pictures the C60 Trident Pro 300 clasp definitely had 5 micro adjustment positions.
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source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJASHQOp4Q&t=459s

Hopefully somebody on this forum here can educate me. Thank you


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I would work it back and forth a couple of times to see if it works loose. The micro adjust is definitely catching on something. I wouldn't be too rough with it and if not resolved then off to customer service I am afraid.
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I've just checked two bracelets and I don't think your two photos reflect the full range of adjustment?

Here are mine fully in and fully out.

Hope this helps.

Afterthought: your end link should slide into the channel section of the clasp?
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Easy way to gauge this ... what's the length of your clasp from end to end?

To me, looking at the length of the 'release button' section, your clasp looks clearly shorter than normal.

Maybe you've been fitted with a 1-off prototype!
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StrappedUp wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:06 pm Easy way to gauge this ... what's the length of your clasp from end to end?

To me, looking at the length of the 'release button' section, your clasp looks clearly shorter than normal.

Maybe you've been fitted with a 1-off prototype!
You are right. I heard somewhere that people were receiving watches with shorter clasps. I thought that it was a mistake. Is it possible they shortened the clasp by taking out some of the microadjust?

EDIT to add: you should also have received all of the spare links. I would contact CS to see if I could get the fee for adjustment back and just throw in another link.
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Thanks for the answers so far. There's definitely only 3 micro adjustment positions
StrappedUp wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:06 pm Easy way to gauge this ... what's the length of your clasp from end to end?

To me, looking at the length of the 'release button' section, your clasp looks clearly shorter than normal.

Maybe you've been fitted with a 1-off prototype!
I measure 3,5cm for the clasp. Can someone confirm that this is shorter than normal?
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I've heard that people complained about the clasp being too long, but I didn't feel like it was when I received my watch. So I also got the idea that CW might have changed the clasp as a compromise with two less microadjustment positions. Just feels weird that there was no communication about it since it still states otherwise in the handbook.

Not that I'm complaining, I actually like a shorter clasp better. Luckily I also had the fitting screwdriver at home, so adding two more links to the bracelet wasn't a problem. Might try to get my money back for the adjustment though ;)
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Clasp is about 42mm iirc. Someone with the 300 will be along to confirm.

You're definitely coming up short there though. I'd argue that you may well find someone willing to swap with you as a shorter clasp might be to someone's benefit.

I know I only ever use 2-3 clicks of micro-adjust.
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Out with a rule:

C65 Antropocene: 39mm
C63 GMT: 39mm
C60 Snow Leopard: 42mm
C60 300 CWE Solaris LE: 42mm
C60 SH21 Chronometers: 38 & 38mm

The only clasps I can find which are shorter are fitted to older watches with the old logo with the C forming a horseshoe around the W.

It sounds like the puzzle is the bigger problem and you don't mind the clasp shortness and less micro-adjust?
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tikkathree wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 2:25 pm It sounds like the puzzle is the bigger problem and you don't mind the clasp shortness and less micro-adjust?
Exactly, I was just confused and wanted to confirm that I indeed got a shorter clasp than usual - don't mind it at all.

It might be a good idea for CW to change the handbook then, if this should not be a "one-off". I will let the customer support know.
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At the San Francisco Wind Up Watch Fair in April of this year, I spoke to Jorg Bader, Jr. who unprompted told me it was a "mistake" to make the new bracelet clasps longer. Seems like they quietly modified the clasp to this shorter length. Jorg said most people don't really need as much microadjustment offered by the longer clasp, and that many people complained it was too long and uncomfortable.
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Bident wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:49 pm At the San Francisco Wind Up Watch Fair in April of this year, I spoke to Jorg Bader, Jr. who unprompted told me it was a "mistake" to make the new bracelet clasps longer. Seems like they quietly modified the clasp to this shorter length. Jorg said most people don't really need as much microadjustment offered by the longer clasp, and that many people complained it was too long and uncomfortable.
I had heard very recently that people were receiving shorter clasps. It certainly appears that is the case. It sort of makes sense to have the micro-adjust equal to a half link.

Some measurements to add to the discussion:

The links on the pin version of the Oyster for the C65:

Main links 13 mm
'Half' links 10 mm
Clasp length 38.5 mm (outside) 40+ mm including the fold (inside)

UPDATE: The C60 MK3 are the same as the C65 above.

Previous C65 bracelet (quick adjust but no QR spring bars - raised center portion on the links

Main links 13+ mm (slightly longer than 13 but there is not enough resolution on my calipers to say how much)
No 'half' links available.
Clasp length (this is the effective length as the older clasp had a link that protruded from the clasp that was not articulated at all) 45+ mm (outside)
47.5 mm including the fold (inside).
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This episode reminds me of past quick changes by CW: (1) the original Hybrid straps which were quite thick and not especially comfortable right out of the box, and then were relatively quickly replaced by the current thinner versions; (2) the double sided screw pins on the original Aquitane bracelets when launched, which were also relatively quickly replaced by the single sided screw pins.

Good to see relatively fast iterations and improvements.
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Does the Sealander now come with single-sided pins or still double screws?

The double screws were such a pain on my 36mm, would love them to be gone
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MistaFroggyG wrote:Does the Sealander now come with single-sided pins or still double screws?

The double screws were such a pain on my 36mm, would love them to be gone
Looking at the specs on CW's website, the Sealander Bader bracelet both 39mn & 36mm are still listed with 'Dual screw links', whereas the new Consort bracelet can be seen in a photo to have single head screws.

The C60 Pro 300 Bader bracelet, all sizes, has 'Single screw links'.

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