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This is absolutely a steal.

While I don't think it bears any relationship with the CW Aviator (it doesn't look like it and the movement is not as good), it is certainly 'different' in a good way. I like the arrangement of the numbers on the dial (hour numbers on the inner ring, minute numbers on the outer ring). The fact that the minute numbers are dominant is what makes the watch different.

I think the strap is nice. It goes well with the purely functional character of the watch. I can see how you'd want a different strap, but by all means don't dump it yet. As your collection extends, you may want to put this strap back on.

You got yourself a good deal there.
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m500dpp wrote:Yes but I drive classic Minis, much the same thing, outdated, crude, not as good as modern cars, but they have character!!!!!!
I see what you mean.
I also see that the lot of us only figure out which car has character until it's been around for umphteen years ;)

I used to drive a Renault 4 GTL, which is best described as a cookie box. It was slightly more car, and definitely punchier with its 1100cc watercooled four than a Citroën 2cv. In these days, nobody thought of a Renault 4 as a car with "character". A Canadian car collector who was over at the time was completely over the moon about this little functional cookie box. He wanted it, and ended up getting it, to add to his collection.

The other thing I notice is that, for a car to have character, it apparently needs to break down every so often, or do other nasty things that you wouldn't expect from a good car. Or bike. Someone once told me "British bikes don't leak oil... they just mark their territory."

I think that there are many modern cars that have an outspoken character. Jeremy Clarkson (who, on telly, is very good at playing dumber than he really is) has a good eye for this. He was the first to compare the character of the Veyron with that of Concorde, and I think he's got a very good point. If the Veyron was a tennis player, he'd be named Pete Sampras.
He also recognises the character of a car that, until he tried (and failed) to destroy it, was not thought about as a car with character... the Hilux. Claxo... er, Clarkson, is good at dumping his preconceptions and look at anything with a fresh eye.

I think that, 20 years from now, we will have forgotten about the Laguna and the 407 and the C5 and the Passat and the A4 and many other cars. Some of us are already hoping that we have managed to forget about the Chrysler PT Cruiser. We may be painfully reminded of the Avensis because there are still so effin' many of them around. But we'll remember the C6, and the Aygo, and the Smart 4two, and the Rover 75.

And yes, those of us who will be old enough to keep their teeth in a glass on the bedside table will also remember the Mini.

I am pretty sure that, 20 years from now, we'll remember watches like the Seiko Monster, the Seiko Tuna Can and the Seiko 5, along with watches like the Omega Planet Ocean and Aqua Terra. The Breitling Windrider Chrono Cockpit and the Tag-Heuer Formula 1 will probably be long forgotten.
I also think that remembering the Malvern Automatic will be the privilege of a select group... about as small as the group who will remember the Bristol Fighter.
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peterh wrote:I think that, 20 years from now, we will have forgotten about the Laguna and the 407 and the C5 and the Passat and the A4 and many other cars. Some of us are already hoping that we have managed to forget about the Chrysler PT Cruiser. We may be painfully reminded of the Avensis because there are still so effin' many of them around. But we'll remember the C6, and the Aygo, and the Smart 4two, and the Rover 75.
The 75 is looked down upon a little bit over here. We like proper British cars, not ones that try to be.
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President wrote:The 75 is looked down upon a little bit over here. We like proper British cars, not ones that try to be.
You mean, it doesn't mark its territory? ;)

On the Continent, the 75 is acknowledged as an excellent and very English motor car with huge VfM, like the Rover 600 proved to be. I think that the Brits do suffer from an inferiority complex. The Rover 75 is probably the last true British car - and probably one of the best. Power delivery and handling was superb- up to BMW standards, but at a much lower price point. I cannot even begin to believe why the Brits disqualified this car from its conception.

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peterh wrote:You mean, it doesn't mark its territory? ;)

On the Continent, the 75 is acknowledged as an excellent and very English motor car with huge VfM, like the Rover 600 proved to be. I think that the Brits do suffer from an inferiority complex. The Rover 75 is probably the last true British car.
How is a Morgan not truly British? The 75s fall to bits over here.
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Great start for a collection!

You're making me want one of those. You also might want to consider getting the strap for the CW Aviator if this has 18mm lugs since you mentioned how similar it looks.
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President wrote:How is a Morgan not truly British? The 75s fall to bits over here.
1. Who owns the brand name Morgan these days?

2. the 75's cannot fall to bits in England because they haven't been sold there. They have been sold in rather huge numbers on the European Continent, and they sure as hell don't fall to bits here.

I used to drive a Rover 600. It was effin' good. Which you'd expect from a Honda Accord, which is was basically. But for some reason, in England, it was considered to be a crap motor car. At the same time, the Accord was considered to be the pinnacle of reliability in England.

The Rover 75 was manufactured to BMW standard. BMW has a huge rep in England when it comes to reliability. Yet, in England, the 75 was doomed from the moment it was conceived.

Strange.

In reliability- and ownership-confidence-researches here on the Continent, the 75 performs quite well... right up there with the best premium German brands, and better than some.

My Euro-continental sentiment is: face the truth... you did create a brilliant motor, but you failed to notice.

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President wrote:How is a Morgan not truly British? The 75s fall to bits over here.
1. Who owns the brand name Morgan these days?

2. the 75's cannot fall to bits in England because they haven't been sold there. They have been sold in rather huge numbers on the European Continent, and they sure as hell don't fall to bits here.

I used to drive a Rover 600. It was effin' good. Which you'd expect from a Honda Accord, which is was basically. But for some reason, in England, it was considered to be a crap motor car. At the same time, the Accord was considered to be the pinnacle of reliability in England.

The Rover 75 was manufactured to BMW standard. BMW has a huge rep in England when it comes to reliability. Yet, in England, the 75 was doomed from the moment it was conceived.

Strange.

In reliability- and ownership-confidence-researches here on the Continent, the 75 performs quite well... right up there with the best premium German brands, and better than some.

My Euro-continental sentiment is: face the truth... you did create a brilliant motor, but you failed to notice.

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It is possible that they were made in different factories. It happens with other cars.
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Just bought this second seiko 5 , should look nice with a decent leather strap as a dress watch.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... otohosting

£31.50 all in.....

intended future purchases include:

CW Aviator, white with tan strap
Grovana coral reef - Yes I know its a copy of the rolex sub but I like it!!!

Existing watches:

Seiko sportura titanium (main at the moment pending arrival of the others)
Casio wave ceptor (horrid, but deadly accurate, and will probably take loads of abuse and last forever! Used when I am working on my cars)
Fake rolex daytona in stainless with black dials - almost unreadable will have to go!!!
Cheap Seconda, may put a leather strap on it a worthy but very mundane £20 watch...

rather tempted by the white version of the seiko 5 miltary......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... :WNA:UK:12

but may stick with the aviator..............
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m500dpp wrote:Grovana coral reef - Yes I know its a copy of the rolex sub but I like it!!!
Go for a Steinhart or a Debaufre rather than a Grovana - they're cheaper.
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Thanks, the grovana is available for £245 inc postage, havnt been able to source the others cheaper, can you give me any clues where I can get one in the UK at less than the price indicated????
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m500dpp wrote:Thanks, the grovana is available for £245 inc postage, havnt been able to source the others cheaper, can you give me any clues where I can get one in the UK at less than the price indicated????
Steinhart & Debaufre ship to the U.K..
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yes found that thanks, but $399 + $85 =£242, and the risk of duty, the Grovana at £245 seems a better bet, thanks again.
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m500dpp wrote:yes found that thanks, but $399 + $85 =£242, and the risk of duty, the Grovana at £245 seems a better bet, thanks again.
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Thanks President!!!$386 inc postage thats down to £193, mmmm £50 towards another watch perhaps!!!!

Revised! Their web site is not very good, although the prices are stated in US$ when you change to English, it seems they should still be in euro. This means the deal for £245 on the grovana is still about as good as it gets..............Oh their web site also crashes if you try and place an order
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