Using the forum as a free sales platform
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
This is not really a forum that has a lot of traffic especially regarding sales so anyone who is using this place to sell only is probably going to have a long wait. I personally think trying to extend it to 100 posts 500 posts is going to make little difference, if people want to use a forum to buy and sell that's what they will do.
I am not aware of TZUK charging people to sell for business purposes I only know that if you sell more than 3 a week you are considered a dealer and should contribute 10% to a charity listed by the forum owner. That being said, its not stopped an almost regular meltdown of accusations of people not contributing or being underhand dealers so even that system is not fool proof.
I don't think watchuseek has any post limit before you can buy or sell and in the end it really comes down to buy the seller. I have sold to people with at the time low post counts without a problem and I have not personally met a single person I have sold a watch to or bought one from. While on watchuseek I have had PM's from potential buyers with a post count of 1 or 10 or whatever trying their luck I just ignore them.
Its strange, I often see the argument about buyers and sellers coming up on other forums but then when the numbers of new members drops people soon complain they have nobody to sell their watch to.
In regards to the person in question who presumably this is about, wasn't he given the green light a while ago to sell his stuff by the mods?
I am not aware of TZUK charging people to sell for business purposes I only know that if you sell more than 3 a week you are considered a dealer and should contribute 10% to a charity listed by the forum owner. That being said, its not stopped an almost regular meltdown of accusations of people not contributing or being underhand dealers so even that system is not fool proof.
I don't think watchuseek has any post limit before you can buy or sell and in the end it really comes down to buy the seller. I have sold to people with at the time low post counts without a problem and I have not personally met a single person I have sold a watch to or bought one from. While on watchuseek I have had PM's from potential buyers with a post count of 1 or 10 or whatever trying their luck I just ignore them.
Its strange, I often see the argument about buyers and sellers coming up on other forums but then when the numbers of new members drops people soon complain they have nobody to sell their watch to.
In regards to the person in question who presumably this is about, wasn't he given the green light a while ago to sell his stuff by the mods?
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
It's an interesting one. I understand the concerns raised and the possibility of dubious sellers selling dubious "franken" watches or even possibly decent watches but just using the forum to avoid the large ebay fees.
A couple of good points made about either increasing the number of posts before you can sell or even multi tiered whereby say you can buy after 50 posts, sell CW after 100 posts and sell other brands after 200 posts...that might be a slight improvement.
As a relative newcomer to the forum, I've now bought a couple of watches on the site (haven't sold any) and I think it is fairly obvious that you look for the provenance when buying an expensive item like a watch. So if you are buying from one of the longer term forumites who have a long time on the board, and possibly also a number of recommendations from those who have dealt with them, then that gives you confidence and builds trust. As a buyer I am handing over quite a bit of money with no buyer protection but the history of the seller on the forum counts for a lot.
I myself have been registered on ebay for c. 14 years or so and have c. 500 feedback, all positive, just from buying odds and ends and selling spare stuff lying around the house...so as with a long time forumite that will give confidence to buyers that I'm a genuine seller with a track record of honesty, and good experiences from buyers.
At the end of the day, regardless of the number of posts or whatever, you would be a brave man to hand over a few £k for a watch from someone only just on the forum with no history or dealing you could refer to.
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A couple of good points made about either increasing the number of posts before you can sell or even multi tiered whereby say you can buy after 50 posts, sell CW after 100 posts and sell other brands after 200 posts...that might be a slight improvement.
As a relative newcomer to the forum, I've now bought a couple of watches on the site (haven't sold any) and I think it is fairly obvious that you look for the provenance when buying an expensive item like a watch. So if you are buying from one of the longer term forumites who have a long time on the board, and possibly also a number of recommendations from those who have dealt with them, then that gives you confidence and builds trust. As a buyer I am handing over quite a bit of money with no buyer protection but the history of the seller on the forum counts for a lot.
I myself have been registered on ebay for c. 14 years or so and have c. 500 feedback, all positive, just from buying odds and ends and selling spare stuff lying around the house...so as with a long time forumite that will give confidence to buyers that I'm a genuine seller with a track record of honesty, and good experiences from buyers.
At the end of the day, regardless of the number of posts or whatever, you would be a brave man to hand over a few £k for a watch from someone only just on the forum with no history or dealing you could refer to.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
WUS has strict rules now - 100 posts and 3 month wait before one can post a watch for sale. TZ has a $1500 fee if you list more than twelve watches for sale in the course of one year. No restriction on purchasing a watch listed by someone else in either forum.robert75 wrote:This is not really a forum that has a lot of traffic especially regarding sales so anyone who is using this place to sell only is probably going to have a long wait. I personally think trying to extend it to 100 posts 500 posts is going to make little difference, if people want to use a forum to buy and sell that's what they will do.
I am not aware of TZUK charging people to sell for business purposes I only know that if you sell more than 3 a week you are considered a dealer and should contribute 10% to a charity listed by the forum owner. That being said, its not stopped an almost regular meltdown of accusations of people not contributing or being underhand dealers so even that system is not fool proof.
I don't think watchuseek has any post limit before you can buy or sell and in the end it really comes down to buy the seller. I have sold to people with at the time low post counts without a problem and I have not personally met a single person I have sold a watch to or bought one from. While on watchuseek I have had PM's from potential buyers with a post count of 1 or 10 or whatever trying their luck I just ignore them.
Its strange, I often see the argument about buyers and sellers coming up on other forums but then when the numbers of new members drops people soon complain they have nobody to sell their watch to.
In regards to the person in question who presumably this is about, wasn't he given the green light a while ago to sell his stuff by the mods?
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Using the forum as a free sales platform
I would go with what Tyke suggests, 30 to view then X number to be able to post for sale threads.
I would also add a time limit of say 3 to 6 months on top of that to stop speed posters and then limit to 2 or 3 for sale posts a week.
I mean who sells more than 2 or 3 watches a week unless they are a dealer?
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I would also add a time limit of say 3 to 6 months on top of that to stop speed posters and then limit to 2 or 3 for sale posts a week.
I mean who sells more than 2 or 3 watches a week unless they are a dealer?
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
Well I tend to let the collection reach bursting point and then sell off 6-8 all in one go. But then that generally happens only once or twice a year.... thank god!paw3001 wrote:I mean who sells more than 2 or 3 watches a week unless they are a dealer?
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
to be honest, you're averaging more than 1 post a day (405 in 375 days), so i'm not sure it would be that much of a wait for you if you started over now.MarkGraz wrote:I check the board several times a day, but I guess I am just not a serial poster, and sometimes my pics aren't that great. I like the attitudes of the members here for the most part and enjoy the watches. Like others, I originally thought 30 posts would take a while and it did for me, just because it's not my style to post often, I am more of a reader.
I'm not sure how I feel about limiting the sales board. I am usually adverse to having more rules vs. less in most cases. I probably would allow CWL category sales as that is the main interest here, and if someone wants to unload one there might be a special interest on the board. As far as the other brands, that might be different.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
You're right, but most of my posts are in the "watch of the day" threads. I'm still learning about styles, cases, movements and such so I don't make a lot of serious comments in the more complicated watch threads. I have bought a few here and sold one and appreciate being able to do so.gwells wrote:to be honest, you're averaging more than 1 post a day (405 in 375 days), so i'm not sure it would be that much of a wait for you if you started over now.MarkGraz wrote:I check the board several times a day, but I guess I am just not a serial poster, and sometimes my pics aren't that great. I like the attitudes of the members here for the most part and enjoy the watches. Like others, I originally thought 30 posts would take a while and it did for me, just because it's not my style to post often, I am more of a reader.
I'm not sure how I feel about limiting the sales board. I am usually adverse to having more rules vs. less in most cases. I probably would allow CWL category sales as that is the main interest here, and if someone wants to unload one there might be a special interest on the board. As far as the other brands, that might be different.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
I come here just to get the C ward goss. every now and then and occasionally contribute on other topics if I find them stimulating enough. To be honest I've had my fill of over contributing (at WUS) before I took a bit of a hiatus from watches. These days I'm usually reading more than contributing. I think if you have a problem with a seller then don't buy from them. But I've seen enough posts (on WUS anyway) from members with very few contributions that display a depth of knowledge a lot of the forum regulars don't seem to have. So quality over quantity I guess...
At the end of the day it doesn't really bother me as I do most of my selling (which is not much at all lol) over at WUS.
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At the end of the day it doesn't really bother me as I do most of my selling (which is not much at all lol) over at WUS.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
And neither do anything to prevent scammers or people who are only there to sell items. From what I have seen all they do is give a platform for the curtain twitches to have a moan at newcomers and their new fangled ways. A number of long term members on WUS got their accounts hacked by a scammer selling watches and as I said, I have been PM'd by "buyers" clearly on a scam.blowfish89 wrote:WUS has strict rules now - 100 posts and 3 month wait before one can post a watch for sale. TZ has a $1500 fee if you list more than twelve watches for sale in the course of one year. No restriction on purchasing a watch listed by someone else in either forum.robert75 wrote:This is not really a forum that has a lot of traffic especially regarding sales so anyone who is using this place to sell only is probably going to have a long wait. I personally think trying to extend it to 100 posts 500 posts is going to make little difference, if people want to use a forum to buy and sell that's what they will do.
I am not aware of TZUK charging people to sell for business purposes I only know that if you sell more than 3 a week you are considered a dealer and should contribute 10% to a charity listed by the forum owner. That being said, its not stopped an almost regular meltdown of accusations of people not contributing or being underhand dealers so even that system is not fool proof.
I don't think watchuseek has any post limit before you can buy or sell and in the end it really comes down to buy the seller. I have sold to people with at the time low post counts without a problem and I have not personally met a single person I have sold a watch to or bought one from. While on watchuseek I have had PM's from potential buyers with a post count of 1 or 10 or whatever trying their luck I just ignore them.
Its strange, I often see the argument about buyers and sellers coming up on other forums but then when the numbers of new members drops people soon complain they have nobody to sell their watch to.
In regards to the person in question who presumably this is about, wasn't he given the green light a while ago to sell his stuff by the mods?
I honestly have no idea why it annoys people so much what people sell and in what quantity or who they are selling to. I have had very good transactions with people with very few post counts and got stung by so called "stand up long term" folk too.
I get why people were cheesed off with the Lewis Hamilton thread getting dropped as it just seemed like harmless fun from what I could see but now "Can we have a politics and religion restricted section" "Can we somehow restrict sellers or just certain sellers" Why cant we just get back to discussing watches on a watch forum?
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
Just to point out that almost any CW watch for sale on eBay will also be advertised on here, so..........
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
To get back to IAJ's original question, IMHO, the simple restrictions that we currently have are fine.
Ultimately, it is the buyer's decision whether to buy a particular watch and part of their decision making will likely be the seller's details/profile. If you don't like anything about the watch and/or the seller then don't buy it.
Simples! eek!
PS> In the meantime I have a lovely C9 FLE available again in the Sales Corner due to an abortive sale on ebay (buyer withdrew as he'd bought something else). Apologies for the shameless plug.
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Ultimately, it is the buyer's decision whether to buy a particular watch and part of their decision making will likely be the seller's details/profile. If you don't like anything about the watch and/or the seller then don't buy it.
Simples! eek!
PS> In the meantime I have a lovely C9 FLE available again in the Sales Corner due to an abortive sale on ebay (buyer withdrew as he'd bought something else). Apologies for the shameless plug.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
It'sAliveJim wrote:Is it right that members who contribute nothing to the forum should still be allowed to post endless items for sale?
Should there be some kind of time or post count cut off point whereby the member's access to Sales Corner is revoked for a period of time, i.e. if all of their posts are in Sales Corner over a period of, say, two months, they could be denied access for a month?
And to the mods, can we please leave this open for discussion as I think it's a worthwhile topic for the forum to discuss. We might find that nobody cares, or it might be that it annoys other members as much as it annoys me
What do we think?
I think this is a good point well made.
Often I would only buy and sell from posters (on any forum) where they had a lot of posts and looked like they would hang around beyond buying and selling watches. I feel a little more secure doing it that way but I understand this is a totally subjective feeling as nothing is ever 100% safe and secure but I feel better about buying/selling to long time posters on here more than anywhere else.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
Burn himBahnstormer_vRS wrote:
PS> In the meantime I have a lovely C9 FLE available again in the Sales Corner due to an abortive sale on ebay (buyer withdrew as he'd bought something else). Apologies for the shameless plug.
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Re: Using the forum as a free sales platform
Yeah, we noticed that. Choking up the front page and keeping Ferg and PaulWB in a job at the same time.Helix Von Smelix wrote:Just to point out that almost any CW watch for sale on eBay will also be advertised on here, so..........
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Yeah but the snake in question - his particular profile/details would probably look fine. The dodgy watch flog, if/when it arrived may not have been fine (as was pointed out by a number of sharp eyed barrack room lawyers on another forum)Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:To get back to IAJ's original question, IMHO, the simple restrictions that we currently have are fine.
Ultimately, it is the buyer's decision whether to buy a particular watch and part of their decision making will likely be the seller's details/profile. If you don't like anything about the watch and/or the seller then don't buy it.
Simples! eek!
Not that simples then........
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