The writing on dials

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JAFO wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:27 pm
nbg wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:32 pm
JAFO wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:32 pm There is no superlative chronometer. It's either a chronometer or it's not.

It's like MIB 3, and Boris the Animal. "It's Just Boris". :D
:) Maybe a superlative chronometer is one that is far more accurate than a normal chronometer…

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Well I expect the Swiss COSC organisation issue a single grade of COSC. Rolex appear to be self certifying their own made up category, from my on line searches. I wonder how long they guarantee the superlative performance. I am surprised the Swiss COSC allow their customers to piggy back their certification in this way.

It's like the holy grail of watch making, but I don't need the Rolex holy grail, as I already got one.:D
Rolex don’t self certify their own “made up” category.

They regulate the movements to tighter requirements than COSC and send the movements to COSC for certification.

This enables them to stick the word chronometer on the dial, as they have worked out this seems important to some. :)

Maybe they add the word superlative because the watch is tested again after the movement has been cased up. Something that is not a requirement of a watch being awarded a COSC bit of paper.

Perhaps they view a criteria of -2s to +2s per day as better than -4s to +6s.

IIRC they started sending the movements to COSC for certification in 1951 and in 1957 decided to add superlative, on the basis of the additional tests performed on the watch after the movements have been cased up.

Not sure how long they guarantee the superlative performance. I haven’t had occasion to put that to the test, although the watches seem to perform rather well, long after many brands tell the owner that their watch needs servicing.

I have recently been wearing one for almost 3 weeks, alternating with other watches. Over that period it had drifted to less than a cumulative 1 second fast. The watch is almost 8 years old. :)

I found a previous post, where I wore it for over 2 months…
nbg wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:59 pm Knowing how accurate a watch is also has its downsides!

I wore a watch last year, into this year (for at least part of every day, between 20 December and 2 March. At the point I got bored and stored it away it was running at a cumulative 0.5s cumulative fast, with negligible positional variation during the period. :)

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I general I am ok with lots of dial text on a tool watch (providing none is positioned in a challenging way), but prefer minimal text on a dress watch.

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nbg wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:27 am (providing none is positioned in a challenging way)
I forgot to mention that I’m good with challenging ways:
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And in terms of what is actually written on the dial I like having text there but even if it said ‘different’ things I wouldn’t mind. Here is an example of inspired dial text :
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^^ ^^ Isn't that just brilliant! Hand wash certified...love it. :lol: :lol:

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I did say less is more, but historically accurate text in a lovely font, suitably placed…well…I make an exception for that.
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I like unusual fontage too. This one is also smiley, which I’d say is an added bonus

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Edit : I do normally think it reads Whitesnake at a glance :lol:
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All this talk of dial text has reminded me of the comedy Tudor photo that regularly does the rounds on various watch sites.


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I think after making the one above, Tudor had used up most of their ink leaving the Ranger to get off lightly. :lol:

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strapline wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:37 am @Amor Vincit Omnia To quote you, 'Brand name and/or logo, fine. I suppose you have to have Swiss Made at the bottom.'

. Although chronograph is a nice word and is watch specific, you don't see it cropping up elsewhere. It also only applies to only 6% of mechanical watches, thus lending the particular watch in question a certain cachet.

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Chronographs generally have pretty distinct dials that gives them away as such... with no words needed.
If a chronograph has 'chronograph' written on its already busy dial, to me, that is a little 'superlative'.

But you mean chronometer, right?
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Greatpotfarm wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:56 pm
strapline wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:37 am @Amor Vincit Omnia To quote you, 'Brand name and/or logo, fine. I suppose you have to have Swiss Made at the bottom.'

. Although chronograph is a nice word and is watch specific, you don't see it cropping up elsewhere. It also only applies to only 6% of mechanical watches, thus lending the particular watch in question a certain cachet.

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Chronographs generally have pretty distinct dials that gives them away as such... with no words needed.
If a chronograph has 'chronograph' written on its already busy dial, to me, that is a little 'superlative'.

But you mean chronometer, right?
That's a good spot, Dan, and at leat confirms that someone reads my posts. :lol: I think I've become a little taken up with chronographs of late. Yep, chronometer, it's a nice word, and like said in my op, it gives a watch a certain cachet.

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@strapline A fair amount of the blame for any confusion can be laid on the shoulders of the French. They almost universally use the term “chronomètre” to mean “stopwatch” **. A Google search for “chronomètre en ligne” yields a variety of stopwatch tools.

They even have a verb… “Je vais te chronométrer” = “I’ll time you”. :roll:

**NB. The grandes maisons use “chronomètre” and “chronographe” as we do. It’s Jojo Le Public, aka Tartempion, who doesn’t.
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Looking back @Amor Vincit Omnia , I do remember my confusion in regards to this terminology for some time after emigrating to the US. Even as a 12 year old, the term 'cronometru' was fairly well engrained in my mind, mainly from memories of being timed with the use of a very rare, and wonderful digital stopwatch in gym class...

One thing I find odd, is that 5 percent of mechanical watches are considered chronometer grade, while only .2 percent of quartz watches receive that same distinction... I was under the impression that most quartz time gages lose a couple seconds a month at most.... Might chronometer status have something to do with the ability to break down a second into 5ths or 6ths?
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Greatpotfarm wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:05 pm Looking back @Amor Vincit Omnia , I do remember my confusion in regards to this terminology for some time after emigrating to the US. Even as a 12 year old, the term 'cronometru' was fairly well engrained in my mind, mainly from memories of being timed with the use of a very rare, and wonderful digital stopwatch in gym class...

One thing I find odd, is that 5 percent of mechanical watches are considered chronometer grade, while only .2 percent of quartz watches receive that same distinction... I was under the impression that most quartz time gages lose a couple seconds a month at most.... Might chronometer status have something to do with the ability to break down a second into 5ths or 6ths?
The short answer is they are not graded to the same spec. CSOC has much stricter requirements for a quartz movement to be considered COSC. Most of the specs are around temperature and humidity variation.

For example:

Average daytime rate at 28C is +-0.07 s/d
Rate at 8C is +- 0.2 s/d
Rate stability is .05 s/d

Most quartz watches manufactured are at the low end. Thermocompensation etc can add significantly to the cost of a quartz movement. So you generally only see COSC certification for very high end quartz movements.
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