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Hello there

The above is not a reference to mechanical issues, rather an issue that arose, which had me confused and slightly annoyed.
It may also happen to others, who may have the same situation, so I thought, I'd put it in a thread, and not just a rant in the Curmudgeon Corner.

I have 2 cars, both are for sale, I'm using the Astra regularly for work and the other a Skoda Fabia is Taxed and MOT'd but not in use, so on my neighbours drive.
(I'm going to keep the one that doesn't sell first )

I have just received a warning letter, saying the Skoda "Has" to be declared as SORN.

I was unaware of this rule, the car was insured by my daughter a couple of weeks ago, as she borrowed it.
So if she needs it again, she will have to tax it.

I don't see the harm, in it being taxed, and off road.

Luckily I paid the tax monthly, so I've not got to claim a refund, which is convenient.

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magicman wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:31 am . . . . the car was insured by my daughter a couple of weeks ago, as she borrowed it.
So if she needs it again, she will have to tax it.
My understanding is that the vehicle must be MOT'd, taxed AND insured at least Third Party, otherwise it has to be SORN'd. I don't think the location of the vehicle whether its kept in front of your house, or well off-road is material. This is all about the 'Authorities' keeping tabs on our daily lives and making sure they soak us for every last penny of tax they can.
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Forgive me if I’m being thick here, but I always assumed the point of SORN was that you didn’t pay tax if the car wasn’t on the road. If you want to drive a car (i.e. put on the road) then surely it has to be taxed and insured, with a valid MOT if applicable. So if it has all of those, I can’t see what they are getting at. If you’re going to drive it you don’t need a SORN, do you? I’ve never used it because I’ve never had more than one car at a time.
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I imagine now there is no longer a displayed tax disc, they need a written record whether a car is on the road or not.

So if it's off the road you let them know with a SORN, but then your daughter can't use it on the road (well, legally). You might still want to insure it, as it might catch fire, or get stolen.

If you haven't declared it as SORN then you need to pay Road Tax on it.

I think you can take it to an MOT testing station while it's off the road under a SORN, but maybe not.
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Thanks for your thoughts.

I just think they're should be an option, for the car to remain Taxed, even though it's not insured, and kept off road.

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From Google....

You must also have insurance if you leave it parked on the street, on your driveway or in your garage. The police can check on the spot if your vehicle is insured using the Motor Insurance Database. If it isn't they can seize it immediately, even if you then arrange insurance at the roadside.
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Note to self..

Don't own two cars at once !

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malvern_man wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pm From Google....

You must also have insurance if you leave it parked on the street, on your driveway or in your garage. The police can check on the spot if your vehicle is insured using the Motor Insurance Database. If it isn't they can seize it immediately, even if you then arrange insurance at the roadside.
I think there's an error in the ggl answer.

You have to have Third Party insurance for any motorised vehicle kept or used on a public thoroughfare. You do not need insurance for a car kept on a non public access piece of land. Note that generally public access includes roadside verges and car parks, not just roads.
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@magicman

I feel we should assume that the definitive advice will come from the Gov.UK website.

When you need to make a SORN

. . . . . which starts with

Overview

You need to make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) when you take a vehicle ‘off the road’ and you want to stop taxing and insuring it.

Ergo, if the vehicle is 'off the road' with a SORN made, you do not need to insure it.

Simples. :eek:

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^^^^ My understanding from the above is that a vehicle must be either Taxed or SORN'd.

If it is Taxed, it will be assumed to be insured for use on the road and vice versa. I'm sure that DVLA will be checking Insurance databases.

However, if it is off the road and SORN'd you may choose to insure it for Fire and Theft (but not for use on the road.

Of course if you're trying to sell it, the Fabia, while you use your Astra, and you have it off the road and SORN'd you won't be able to take it out for a demonstration or test drive for a buyer.

Hope that makes sense.

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