Britain, a state of unpreparedness?

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So.... A bit more investigating, and it looks like I cannot go with smaller diameter wheels as they will not clear the calipers, and to use aftermarket wheels naffs up the TPM system, as does getting a narrower wheel. For some reason the rear wheels are wider than the front which causes even more confusion.

Winter tyres on the existing wheels looks like only option.

Stupid question of the day here..... I assume that winter tyres are suitable for dry winter roads as well, ie - You get them fitted and leave them on all winter. They are not just for ice and snow.

Does it damage the tyre at all to keep on being removed and replaced on the wheel?

On an aside, and to expand.... Has anyone ever used the "winter mode" on their car. Does it actually do anything and help at all? It seems to be a button that I have never pressed on any of my cars!

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jtc wrote:Buy a set of non OEM wheels or pick up a used set on ebay... then just buy tyres the usual route. I reckon £1k-£1500 tops even for a car with weird sized tyres (try 225/45/19!)
Good call on eBay, they may have OEM wheels a bit cheaper! :)

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smegwina wrote:So.... A bit more investigating, and it looks like I cannot go with smaller diameter wheels as they will not clear the calipers, and to use aftermarket wheels naffs up the TPM system, as does getting a narrower wheel. For some reason the rear wheels are wider than the front which causes even more confusion.

Winter tyres on the existing wheels looks like only option.

Stupid question of the day here..... I assume that winter tyres are suitable for dry winter roads as well, ie - You get them fitted and leave them on all winter. They are not just for ice and snow.

Does it damage the tyre at all to keep on being removed and replaced on the wheel?

On an aside, and to expand.... Has anyone ever used the "winter mode" on their car. Does it actually do anything and help at all? It seems to be a button that I have never pressed on any of my cars!

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Winter tyre rubber is suitable for any road condition. They work at their optimum with the temperature 7 degrees or less. Mid Nov to Mid/late Feb I found to be about right. It doesn't damage the tyre. Most are TPM compatible, just reset the TPM when you put them on and then again when you swap them. What car are you putting them on?
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smegwina wrote:
jtc wrote:Buy a set of non OEM wheels or pick up a used set on ebay... then just buy tyres the usual route. I reckon £1k-£1500 tops even for a car with weird sized tyres (try 225/45/19!)
Good call on eBay, they may have OEM wheels a bit cheaper! :)

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You can sometimes pick up a great deal on ebay. I had a VW CC a few years ago and picked up a brand new, imported set of OEM VW Winter Alloys with new Dunlop winter sports on for £500. In fact, they are still at the back of the shed somewhere, but 2 of the tyres need replacing on them. I should dig them out really and resell them on ebay
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......and there was me thinking this thread was about Brexit :silent:
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TigerChris wrote:
smegwina wrote:So.... A bit more investigating, and it looks like I cannot go with smaller diameter wheels as they will not clear the calipers, and to use aftermarket wheels naffs up the TPM system, as does getting a narrower wheel. For some reason the rear wheels are wider than the front which causes even more confusion.

Winter tyres on the existing wheels looks like only option.

Stupid question of the day here..... I assume that winter tyres are suitable for dry winter roads as well, ie - You get them fitted and leave them on all winter. They are not just for ice and snow.

Does it damage the tyre at all to keep on being removed and replaced on the wheel?

On an aside, and to expand.... Has anyone ever used the "winter mode" on their car. Does it actually do anything and help at all? It seems to be a button that I have never pressed on any of my cars!

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Winter tyre rubber is suitable for any road condition. They work at their optimum with the temperature 7 degrees or less. Mid Nov to Mid/late Feb I found to be about right. It doesn't damage the tyre. Most are TPM compatible, just reset the TPM when you put them on and then again when you swap them. What car are you putting them on?
Much obliged!

Apparently the issue is that there are sensors both in the wheel itself and in the wheel wells that need to talk to each other.

If it is just a case of resetting it, then happy days!



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Kansas City Milkman wrote:......and there was me thinking this thread was about Brexit :silent:
:lol: :lol: nah, big difference - this thread actually has people who know what they are talking about on it. We can't say that about those negotiating Brexit! :lol: :lol:
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Smegwina, is the TPM actually in the wheel (which is likely cast) or merely part of the valve and stem? If the latter, any wheels should work as long as you get the right size and offset.
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jtc wrote:Smegwina, is the TPM actually in the wheel (which is likely cast) or merely part of the valve and stem? If the latter, any wheels should work as long as you get the right size and offset.
Ooh, good question....


From the manual....

TPMS OPERATION
The TPMS monitors pressure of the tyres via
sensors located in each wheel and a receiver
located within the vehicle. Communication
between sensor and receiver is via Radio
Frequency (RF) signals.

And

TYRE CHANGING
Always have your tyres serviced or changed by
a qualified technician.
Care must be taken to avoid contact between
the bead of the tyre and the sensor during
removal and refitting of the tire, otherwise the
sensor may become damaged and or
inoperable.
Valve stem seal, washer, nut, valve core and
cap should be replaced at every tyre change.

I do appreciate the assistance BTW! :)

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I've got a question for those with winter tyre experience, this year I have a choice of two cars to take to work in the morning, as my wife will be at home as schools are closed.
1. A 2wd Nissan Qashqai which has new (3 week old) 17" Goodyear ultra grip full winter tyres on it, or
2. 4wd Evoque with 1/2 worn 18" Pirelli scorpion verde all season tyres on it.

I didn't have either cars last time we had bad weather (I had an old golf with 15" winter tyres which was amazing in the snow) and can't decide which one to take.

My commute is about 15 miles on country roads which won't be gritted, any views for either one?
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Goose383 wrote:I've got a question for those with winter tyre experience, this year I have a choice of two cars to take to work in the morning, as my wife will be at home as schools are closed.
1. A 2wd Nissan Qashqai which has new (3 week old) 17" Goodyear ultra grip full winter tyres on it, or
2. 4wd Evoque with 1/2 worn 18" Pirelli scorpion verde all season tyres on it.

I didn't have either cars last time we had bad weather (I had an old golf with 15" winter tyres which was amazing in the snow) and can't decide which one to take.

My commute is about 15 miles on country roads which won't be gritted, any views for either one?
Well I clearly know cock all about winter tyres (as you can see from above!!! ) but.......

I would lean towards 2wd and full new winters, as opposed to 4wd and half worn all weathers.

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I would take the 2wd having winter tyres
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jtc wrote:Smegwina, is the TPM actually in the wheel (which is likely cast) or merely part of the valve and stem? If the latter, any wheels should work as long as you get the right size and offset.
To add. Further investigation, the sensors can be purchased separately and fitted to non OEM wheels! :)

The hunt continues!

Apparently this is the case for most car manufacturers, in case that helps anyone else looking to do this.

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Yes I was leaning towards 2wd with winters too - thanks for your input
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smegwina wrote:So.... A bit more investigating, and it looks like I cannot go with smaller diameter wheels as they will not clear the calipers, and to use aftermarket wheels naffs up the TPM system, as does getting a narrower wheel. For some reason the rear wheels are wider than the front which causes even more confusion.

Winter tyres on the existing wheels looks like only option.

Stupid question of the day here..... I assume that winter tyres are suitable for dry winter roads as well, ie - You get them fitted and leave them on all winter. They are not just for ice and snow.
Nick, if your a Jag is anything like my Macan, you’ll have a TPM menu on your dash or centre display to select which size tyres you’re running. It’s likely that even if you can’t drop down a rim size, there’s an alternative tire size (probably narrower, but higher profile to maintain the same rolling diameter). Find a set of inexpensive alloys, get the TPM sensors fitted and get the car to “learn” that the new rims and tyres have been fitted.

Of course by the time you cough up for that lot, maybe you get yourself a cheap POS fitted with winter tyres for the few days a year that you actually need them.

Of course, none of this is from personal experience (well, I have used the TPM menu in my car) - I learned all that from the Macan forum, as I was fascinated by the whole issue of winter and summer tyres - living where I do, it’s something I’ve never encountered in 40 years of driving.
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