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Apparently I missed an F1 race today due to watching football.
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Kip wrote:Apparently I missed an F1 race today due to watching football.
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Kip wrote:Apparently I missed an F1 race today due to watching football.
Don't worry Kip. It wasn't an important one or anything like that.

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Phewww! That's a relief.
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james80 wrote:
Thegreyman wrote:Lewis had two options as the race unfolded:

a) Put the foot down, make life easy for Nico and hand him the title
b) Back the race up a bit and bring the Ferraris and Red Bulls into the mix with some slight hope Nico ends up 4th or has an incident etc thus giving himself a chance of winning the title

Imo, he was perfectly entitled to try and win the title for himself, he's a competitive racer, with a winning mentality. Why wouldn't he try and win. As has been said all the great champions would do the same. The team asked him to speed up :mod: and aren't too chuffed with him but Johnny Herbert took Paddy Lowe to task after the race saying we were getting an exciting race and finish to the championship, who are the team to try and deny us that.

I admire Nico's consistency and well done to him for winning the title :clap: . Lewis was quite sporting in his congratulations of Nico after the race too considering how sick he will be at losing.
If option B is acceptable for Hamilton I wonder if Rosberg was "perfectly entitled to try to win the title for himself" by T boning Hamilton on a corner and putting them both out but guaranteeing himself the title?

It's obvious that Lewis is faster (at this point) but faster is not always what wins championships.
Option B was within the rules and not dangerous, T boning Hamilton maybe slightly different?
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Kip wrote:Apparently I missed an F1 race today due to watching football.

I'd planned to catch the highlights later this week whilst doing the ironing - I find I can iron and listen :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: and, when the excitement level demands that I watch the action I can pause in my labours. :shock: :shock:

I see nothing wrong in backing the race up for tactical advantage.
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tikkathree wrote:
I see nothing wrong in backing the race up for tactical advantage.
Neither do I, the team may not feel the same way. Against another team yes but I doubt very much Mercedes would've been happy with a one four forced by their own driver.

Championship points (and the accompanying dollars) are what the team want, as I said earlier, let them fight each other but not to the detriment of the team.
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Thegreyman wrote:
james80 wrote:
Thegreyman wrote:Lewis had two options as the race unfolded:

a) Put the foot down, make life easy for Nico and hand him the title
b) Back the race up a bit and bring the Ferraris and Red Bulls into the mix with some slight hope Nico ends up 4th or has an incident etc thus giving himself a chance of winning the title

Imo, he was perfectly entitled to try and win the title for himself, he's a competitive racer, with a winning mentality. Why wouldn't he try and win. As has been said all the great champions would do the same. The team asked him to speed up :mod: and aren't too chuffed with him but Johnny Herbert took Paddy Lowe to task after the race saying we were getting an exciting race and finish to the championship, who are the team to try and deny us that.

I admire Nico's consistency and well done to him for winning the title :clap: . Lewis was quite sporting in his congratulations of Nico after the race too considering how sick he will be at losing.
If option B is acceptable for Hamilton I wonder if Rosberg was "perfectly entitled to try to win the title for himself" by T boning Hamilton on a corner and putting them both out but guaranteeing himself the title?

It's obvious that Lewis is faster (at this point) but faster is not always what wins championships.
Option B was within the rules and not dangerous, T boning Hamilton maybe slightly different?
Not if it was an "accident".



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As someone who cannot stand motorsport and therefore doesn't really understand its idiosyncrasies, I'm intrigued and a little confused about Hamilton 'backing up' Rosberg.

What he did wasn't against the rules and wasn't dangerous, so why the uproar? Neither Hamilton or Rosberg are racing for Mercedes out of love for the team, they're there to win championships and that's what Hamilton tried to do today.

And surely if Rosberg was annoyed at Hamilton going too slowly he could have tried to overtake, you know that thing that is literally his job.
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At the end of the day, Lewis was fighting for the world championship as the incumbent champion.

There was not a chance in hell that he would have accepted it and capitulated to the teams demands, and neither would any other F1 driver and/or World Champion past, present or future.

You have more chance of getting him to pop his love spuds into a Nutri Ninja, and the team should never have put that request to him in the first place.

Senna/Schumacher et al, would have told the team to f**k off on no uncertain terms.

(And this comes from someone who is.not a huge fan of Hammy)

At the end of the day, regardless of the undoubted team input, the race and championship are won by the driver on the track.

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sproughton wrote:Neither Hamilton or Rosberg are racing for Mercedes out of love for the team, they're there to win championships and that's what Hamilton tried to do today.
That and they're being paid and unfortunately sometimes you have to do what you're employer wants you to to. It's not always about Lewis. If he wants it to be maybe he should buy his own team.
sproughton wrote: And surely if Rosberg was annoyed at Hamilton going too slowly he could have tried to overtake, you know that thing that is literally his job.
You're over simplifying.
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Good thread, I am an avid motorsporter and I think there's a valid point in nearly every thread post here... Hammy better driver - probably, winning mentality - definitely (at any cost), individual rather than team player - theyre racing drivers and inherently self centred, would previous great world champions done this - in a heartbeat all of them, team wanting a 1.2 finish and points - obviously and theyre the employer, legitimate tactics - within F1 rules but not necessarily the job description ( unless the car being backed up was another team)... But above all it made a predictable result a bit more interesting and gave us something to talk about. I have raced at an amateur level and would not have employed the same tactic,,, only because I was normally chasing not leading and if I was, I would be desperately trying to stay there :D
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james80 wrote:
tikkathree wrote:
I see nothing wrong in backing the race up for tactical advantage.
Neither do I, the team may not feel the same way. Against another team yes but I doubt very much Mercedes would've been happy with a one four forced by their own driver.

Championship points (and the accompanying dollars) are what the team want, as I said earlier, let them fight each other but not to the detriment of the team.
The interesting thing here was the constructors championship was already won, and each team's entry fee for the following season increases based on points scored in the previous one... so you'd think the team would have just let them go out and create a "Mercedes" spectacle
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james80 wrote:
sproughton wrote: And surely if Rosberg was annoyed at Hamilton going too slowly he could have tried to overtake, you know that thing that is literally his job.
You're over simplifying.
Then that's probably why I find it so mind numbingly tedious as a spectator. Rosberg didn't want to take any risks himself and wanted Hamilton to bend over and drop his kegs to make it easier for him
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At the end of the day LH did what any racer would have.

NR did what he needed to do to win the championship.

Yes they had the best cars and were the only drivers who were ever going to have a chance of being world champion this season.

LH sulked as usual - like NR would have done.

Give it a couple of years and put MV and LH in equal cars - now that would be fun!

In my view; regardless of how important the car is - F1 drivers have a level of fitness and skill beyond those in most sports.

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