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Antony23 wrote:[

6) One of your reasons you gave me for not offering me a price was that you didn't know where to start and that you were not a "collector". Clearly this was a lie as you state above your experience with forums, WTB and you clearly had a price you were willing to pay. Why you were offended when I didn't propose the price YOU had in mind i'll never know! I am a watch buyer, but you were stating the watch was a 'low number' and I was referring to the fact I'm not the type of 'collector' in regards the number on the watch would mean anything to me.
Ok fair enough that serial numbers aren't important to you but I was highlighting features of the watch so you knew what was available. I apologise for calling you a liar but your post was insulting and upset me.

I still don't understand why you only stated what price you were prepared to pay in your 4th message after posting a WTB.

If I posted a WTB I would have a maximum price I was willing to pay in mind. Then if someone offered to sell me what I wanted I would make my offer and see if they accepted it or not. I would not expect them to tell me what they wanted for the watch.

Of course, I would expect the reverse if responding to a For Sale post.

We obviously have differing expectations with regards to watch buying and selling
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Antony23 wrote:
paw3001 wrote:Was writing my post as Tony was writing and posting his.

Still can't understand why he was annoyed by my behaviour or posts as I was just responding to his Want To Buy post rather than Tony responding to a For Sale post
Re-read your original post.

I'd fail to see how anyone could not find the tone of your writing and comments as overly aggressive and condescending.
OK personally I disagree that my post was aggressive or condescending and neither was it my intention to appear as you describe.

If fact I was trying to be the exact opposite by being open and honest with you by recognising that you would wish to get the lowest price while I would wish to gain a higher price. I then highlighted the original price of the watch, it's unique features and extras that I was willing to include and how I viewed the situation as I liked the watch and would need a good offer to part with it.

All this information was to help you decide on what was a fair offer to make to me. In no way was I trying to be aggressive or condescending.

However, this will be my last comment on the sorry saga as I don't think we will see eye to eye on this and I am sure others will make up their own minds about our discussion
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Matt wrote:
Timbo wrote: everything is "for sale" if the price is right
So what do you have :)
Fair enough!

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I remember the day I hesitated buying a vintage early 70’s divers watch called the Zodiac Sea Wolf. It was an auto and one of the most popular watches to buy of that time. I owned one when I was 19 after a long time of saving up for it. It was the most beloved of all watches I had ever owned. I found one on E-Bay in pristine condition two years ago. There were others for sale but all accept this one were in very poor condition. This one looked good as new and the original box was in great shape. I downloaded every picture the seller had posted. With no warning, the seller suddenly raised the price from $799 to $899 just when I was seriously about to take the plunge. It was a “buy it for this price now” deal. I stopped myself from buying it and waited a couple of days to think about it and the next thing I discover, it got sold. It ate my heart out. I had to live with myself for loosing something I could have had because of my hesitation over a mere $100 difference to that of $799. Looking back on it now and knowing what I’m about to receive in the mail from CW…. I don’t feel so bad anymore.
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Antony23 wrote:
mikepj wrote:Hello Tony

I seem, to remember offering to sell you mine back in August and for less than you offered to buy the one that popped up on SC earlier today.

I sincerely hope that you are not referring to me or anyone else on this forum as a "scammer" or "someone who would only sell for a considerable offer" because that's just bad form & probably the best way NOT to be offered the opportunity to purchase one of these watches here.

Posting on WTB does not guarantee that you have first refusal for any matching watch that is put up for sale by a forum member ~ it is up to any potential seller to offer you the watch if he / she so desires. If you stick around and join in with the day to day banter in the forum, people will get to know you & you'll have a much better opportunity of owning one of these beauties and realising your dream.

Remember you can subscribe to the sales corner posts so you get emailed with each new topic or reply.
Mike I think you may be mistaken as regards offering me this watch at a lower price (apologies if i'm somehow mistaken).

I've checked my private messages and there are three between us.

First message - is mine to you saying I see you've sold one and do you mind me asking how much for so I can gauge the going rate.

Second message - you stating £325 with a PVD bracelet and it sold in 20 minutes

Third message - I thanked you for the reply.

Tony

then you should check your emails ~ specifically friday 19/08/11 at 20:13 where I wrote
Hi Tony,

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Going on how well the second hand CW's are maintaining their value at the moment, I guess I'd be looking for at least £300 to part with it.

The discontinued yellow C600 does seem to be in high demand & I'm sure this model would sell for more than that on Ebay.

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Russ-Shettle wrote:I remember the day I hesitated buying a vintage early 70’s divers watch called the Zodiac Sea Wolf. It was an auto and one of the most popular watches to buy of that time. I owned one when I was 19 after a long time of saving up for it. It was the most beloved of all watches I had ever owned. I found one on E-Bay in pristine condition two years ago. There were others for sale but all accept this one were in very poor condition. This one looked good as new and the original box was in great shape. I downloaded every picture the seller had posted. With no warning, the seller suddenly raised the price from $799 to $899 just when I was seriously about to take the plunge. It was a “buy it for this price now” deal. I stopped myself from buying it and waited a couple of days to think about it and the next thing I discover, it got sold. It ate my heart out. I had to live with myself for loosing something I could have had because of my hesitation over a mere $100 difference to that of $799. Looking back on it now and knowing what I’m about to receive in the mail from CW…. I don’t feel so bad anymore.
Hi Russ, just on a side note, and in my very personal opinion I believe the current Zodiac Sea Wolf is an insult to the Sea Wolf you owned and love. I own a modern Oceanaire so guess I can be a little bit more critical about this brand, though I like my watch very much :D

Referring to the topic, WTB section good or bad? Good when you get what you want for the price you want and bad otherwise. Come on, if you want a deal where there is a strict fixed price and the seller with the so called perceived "professional seller attitude" then, is it really that hard to figure out where to find one? Its called a "SHOP" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Antony23 wrote:
paw3001 wrote:As I was the regular forum member who asked you what price you were offering to buy a C600 IPY I have a few comments:

Firstly, I told you that I "might" sell mine if the price offered was tempting. I stated that I had no need to sell but if the offer was right?

You refused to offer me any price and insisted that I give you a price I was willing to sell at. When I gave you that price you refused and said you could get one for less. I said OK and that was the end of it.

So overall you want to buy a discontinued C600 IPY at a bargain price! Fine I can understand that and to stop wasting everyone's time why don't you just put your money where your mouth is and include a maximum price you are willing to pay for one in your WTB post.

That way you stop "annoying" people like me wasting your time by daring to ask a WTB poster you what you are offering to purchase one.

Sheesh, some people!
Full dialogue of our conversation, paw3001 in Bold, myself in italics. Funnily enough I quite clearly state I was looking to spend £300.

paw3001 - PM me as I have #5 which I may be willing to part with for the right offer.

Myself - Hi, I see you may have a yellow tri-tech for sale. I'm interested. Could you tell me how much your asking please? You can either PM me on here or e-mail me at AAtlanta99@aol.com
Cheers, Tony


paw3001 - OK. You want the watch but wish to pay as little as neccessary whereas I want to achieve as high as possible to make me part with the watch! As I am not actively selling , what is your maximum price you would be willing to pay? Bear in mind that original price was £399 but this watch is now discontinued and opportunity to purchase is low. Therefore this is a limited and rare watch plus it's serial number is #5. It will also come with 2 additional straps and pin buckles with a combined value of £60. Not trying to be difficult but you need to make me want to part with the watch and a couple of hundred quid isn't going make me do that. Cheers Paul


Myself - Hi Paul, I'm not being evasive, but I genuinely wouldn't have a clue where to start. Tell what you'd consider fair and we can discuss from there. Thanks, Tony

Myself - Hi Paul, I'm not really looking for one with extra straps, and I'm not a collector, so a low number has no extra value to me. If the situation changes and you have a price at some stage, please let me know.
Thanks, Tony


paw3001 - OK no worries. it's here if you change your mind and want to make a sensible offer. Unfortunately this is now a collector's watch and will command a premium. Good luck finding one for less than £400. Ebay may be your best bet. Cheers Paul

Myself - I've missed one at £275 recently, and the one that sold on here last week went for £325 (and that was with a PVD bracelet as well), so I think your a bit optimistic rating a c600 yellow dial without extras at £400. Most I'd pay would be £300. I actually got offered one at that price mint two months ago, but I was buying a few other watches at the time and had to give it a miss. Cheers, Tony

paw3001 - Well good luck and keep looking. I am certainly not desperate to sell so am happy to keep it in the collection
I don't see anything wrong with that conversation. Am I missing something? I think you misconstrued it. It seemed pretty polite to me and remember the item wasn't up for sale as such.

I don't think it was necessary to post all of that on here?

Paw, I'm still interested in your fake Bremont :lol:
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Antony23 wrote: I am sure there are many decent posters on this forum, sadly there'll always be a few dislikeable individuals like yourself and I.I.D. And some wonder why 'new' people wouldn't want to post more often on this forum.

So you come on, only post in the wanted section & make no attempt to add to the general life of the Forum & then get shirty when someone spots what you're doing? Not sure your ongoing policy of winning friends & influencing people is going to get someone to part with the watch you desire.........

My original comment was a general one as there are people who trawl sites purely looking for specific watches, however as you have taken it personally, they all display exactly the behaviour you exhibit.
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Antony23 wrote:
I am sure there are many decent posters on this forum, sadly there'll always be a few dislikeable individuals like yourself and I.I.D. And some wonder why 'new' people wouldn't want to post more often on this forum.
I'm new on the forum, I'm enjoying participating and haven't encountered any issues as a 'newbie'. Perhaps the issue doesn't lie with the forum... Just saying.
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Personally I think this thread has gone it's course and it is time for Peace to break out! :knuddel:
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I.I.D wrote:
Antony23 wrote: I am sure there are many decent posters on this forum, sadly there'll always be a few dislikeable individuals like yourself and I.I.D. And some wonder why 'new' people wouldn't want to post more often on this forum.

So you come on, only post in the wanted section & make no attempt to add to the general life of the Forum & then get shirty when someone spots what you're doing? Not sure your ongoing policy of winning friends & influencing people is going to get someone to part with the watch you desire.........

My original comment was a general one as there are people who trawl sites purely looking for specific watches, however as you have taken it personally, they all display exactly the behaviour you exhibit.
Are you for real, your first post where you appeared to think you were part of some secret society was bad enough, but the rubbish posted above is laughable. Spotted what I was doing?, what exactly, seeing if there was a watch for sale.
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I.I.D wrote:Probably best to ditch the WTB section, then anyone wanting a watch will have to visit more frequently to check out what's going on & they might get more involved in other sections. After all, it would be a shame if the WTB section ended up just being hijacked by trophy hunters rather than genuine CW enthusiasts....... :?
Pathetic!

Since when did a mid price watch of a very small brand become a 'trophy'?

I'd suggest Christopher Ward is very happy his sales are not just confined to people who post on this forum, otherwise his company wouldn't be in a very good shape financially!
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Nice and lively in here this morning :D
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Didn't spot any reference in my post to a secret society? Do highlight that particular passage for me.

As for the trophy hunter quote, again it wasn't specifically directed at that watch in particular, but there are a growing number of CW's that are becoming collectable & have rarity value. Trophies aren't just megabuck watches, but might be something quite cheap but difficult to get hold of. You only have to see the scramble when certain watches appear, particularly FLE's which again are mid priced but much coveted.

Not sure why you've dragged the Christopher Ward company into the argument, no-one said his sales should be restricted to Forum members?

Sometimes it's good to make a stand for what you believe in, even if you are in a minority of one, but you also need to sometimes ask 'why is it only me who thinks like this'...... This is that occasion.
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mikepj wrote:
Antony23 wrote:
mikepj wrote:Hello Tony

I seem, to remember offering to sell you mine back in August and for less than you offered to buy the one that popped up on SC earlier today.

I sincerely hope that you are not referring to me or anyone else on this forum as a "scammer" or "someone who would only sell for a considerable offer" because that's just bad form & probably the best way NOT to be offered the opportunity to purchase one of these watches here.

Posting on WTB does not guarantee that you have first refusal for any matching watch that is put up for sale by a forum member ~ it is up to any potential seller to offer you the watch if he / she so desires. If you stick around and join in with the day to day banter in the forum, people will get to know you & you'll have a much better opportunity of owning one of these beauties and realising your dream.

Remember you can subscribe to the sales corner posts so you get emailed with each new topic or reply.
Mike I think you may be mistaken as regards offering me this watch at a lower price (apologies if i'm somehow mistaken).

I've checked my private messages and there are three between us.

First message - is mine to you saying I see you've sold one and do you mind me asking how much for so I can gauge the going rate.

Second message - you stating £325 with a PVD bracelet and it sold in 20 minutes

Third message - I thanked you for the reply.

Tony

then you should check your emails ~ specifically friday 19/08/11 at 20:13 where I wrote
Hi Tony,

Born in Usk & dragged up in Cwmbran ~ Finally escaped to Magor about 15 years ago

Going on how well the second hand CW's are maintaining their value at the moment, I guess I'd be looking for at least £300 to part with it.

The discontinued yellow C600 does seem to be in high demand & I'm sure this model would sell for more than that on Ebay.

Regards

Mike
Mike,

Your right, I do recall that e-mail.

I've quite clearly posted above in my highlighted response that I am referring to PM's, and apologised if I'd got it wrong in brackets as regards any other potential contact that I may have overlooked.

I clearly didn't realise you were the same person I was PM'ng who already e-mailed me (how would I know?). Hence why I messaged you asking what it sold for to give me an accurate gauge of the market value at that time. I would state minus the bracelet, it's still arguable the value would have been below £300.

At the period of this e-mail CW had sold one off for £225-£250 and so had TZ-UK (six months or so earlier), hence what I was basing what I thought one may be worth. Though I do appreciate that items can increase in value over a period of time. Though yours is far and away the most expensive I've seen sold in the last 18 months. So, I would still concur that someone asking me for over £400 was an unrealistic second hand price at that time.

Even the one that sold yesterday on Sales Corner was listed as best offers in the region of £199. I made an offer that I thought may have been a 'fair' current market value based on the sale of yours, hence offering £315.

it would be interesting to know what it actually sold for, as it may well have been for less than my offer and if so would back up my point as regards the second hand market value.

Tony
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