Would You Buy This Watch ???

Discuss Christopher Ward watches

Would You Buy A C4 Peregrine Like This One ?

Geez That Rocks I want One
1
8%
Nope That Monstrosity Aint For Me
12
92%
 
Total votes: 13

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Terminator wrote:
joerattz wrote:Terminator, I just voted against your watch despite the fact that I like the way it looks.
That is a bit of a contradictory statement is it not lmao.
Not in the least. The only two options you gave me were I don't like the look, or I want one. I do like the look (not sure it would be my favorite of the possible combinations), but I would not buy one because it is quartz. I don't want CW thinking that if he makes one looking like you want that I am going to buy it. It might mislead him.
Terminator wrote:
joerattz wrote:Now, if Chris were to put a 7750 in it, and I could swallow the price, we might be talking a different story then.
It is a nice thought joe but there is one thing wrong with that lmao. It would probably put you into the £1000+ bracket even for a stainless steel one.
It doesn't have to be that expensive. I am not saying that there aren't a plethora of 7750 watches in that price range, but remember that Chris is trying to be the cheapest quality watch. Not trying to dictate what his price should be for such a watch, I think it is totally feasible for him to sell one for £340. How did I arrive at that price? The current price for a C4 on a bracelet is £160. I know I can buy a Valjoux 7750 at retail price for $342 US. Here is a link:

http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html

Now, that is for a plain 7750. I also see they have a prettier finished one for $469. But, since he is trying to be the cheapest, he could go for the lesser finished grade. Now, it is $342 for one at retail price. I am sure the price is a good bit better at wholesale price in the quantities he probably buys. In fact, maybe its feasible he can get the nicer finished model for that same $342 at wholesale in quantity? Converting $342 US to £ using the most recent exchange rate is £176. Add that to the £160 for the C4 yeilds a price of £336. Factor in he also saves the cost of the existing C4 movement, and the price gets even lower.

Therefore I think it is totally possible that he could sell one for £340, perhaps a little more or less.

Also, I have been seeing this on sale at ShopNBC for a few weeks now:

http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?familyi ... -_-J172172

It is $699.95 US, which converts to £359.096, and they aren't trying to be the cheapest quality watch in the world, and they have several layers of distribution taking a cut. That is a sharp looking watch. Genuine croc strap, sapphire crystal, exhibition back, and its a pretty cool case too.
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joerattz wrote:
Not in the least. The only two options you gave me were I don't like the look, or I want one. I do like the look (not sure it would be my favorite of the possible combinations), but I would not buy one because it is quartz.
Fair comment Joe. I just did the poll questions tongue & cheek so I maybe should have just put Yes I like the idea or No I dont rather than saying would you buy one. I kind of suspected that the non C4 watch type fans would vote against it but alas there are not so many C4 watch type fans in here. I also did not quite expect voters to be quite so analytical with the poll questions lmao.

:lol:
joerattz wrote:It doesn't have to be that expensive. I am not saying that there aren't a plethora of 7750 watches in that price range, but remember that Chris is trying to be the cheapest quality watch. Not trying to dictate what his price should be for such a watch, I think it is totally feasible for him to sell one for £340. How did I arrive at that price? The current price for a C4 on a bracelet is £160. I know I can buy a Valjoux 7750 at retail price for $342 US.

Therefore I think it is totally possible that he could sell one for £340, perhaps a little more or less.
That is interesting Joe. I keep forgetting that things are cheaper elsewhere in the world compared to "Rip off UK". It doesnt seem to matter what the goods are but if something is $342 in the US then it will be £342 here. Thats one thing I like about CWL. He charges the same world wide. The only saving available to anyone is less EU taxes.

Im sure Chris would maybe find a market for watches up to £400 although higher than that might get tougher. I dont actually know what Chris's model run numbers are but I thought he might do well with limited runs of certain styles ie limited editions. I dont know the ecomomics of shorter production runs but I think it would work. It would certainly attract more collectors and watch geeks to the products so he would likely see many customers buying more than just one model. I do wonder myself how long he will continue with current styles before changing or replacing them with something new.

Here is an interesting story though of CWL's vision of quality at a price because he obviously sticks by that standard. A good friend of mine was over last night and he spotted my C4 and asked me about it. He was studying the glass in particular and asked me what it was made of. I had not got a clue but he wondered if it was sapphire crystal. As he continued to study the watch he noticed that on the back that it was indeed engraved as sapphire crystal.

Now he found that very interesting because he is in fact a Director of a company that manufactures all different types of precision lenses for industrial applications etc including scientific instruments etc. It is quite a large company but their business model allows them to do production runs of 1000's or one off speciality lenses a foot wide at a cost of £1000's. I dont know much about it but I believe that some of the manufacturing equipment comes in at at a million UK Pounds at a time. I did actually get a tour of the factory once a few years ago. It was quite interesting to see actually. He told me that my C4 lense would/should be very hard to scratch and if the lens was high quality even running sandpaper across it would not mark it. In fact he wanted to test it but I would not let him lmao. I asked him what sort of cost he would put on a lens like this and he said it can be £40. He then added that they themselves do occasionally do one off production runs of say 50 lenses for speciality jewelers at around £40 each. I then asked him how on earth could CWL build a watch at this price if just the watch glass costs this much but he then added it depends on production runs. You might be able to get that down to around £5 or under if you were purchasing 1000's of one size from China. At that I was curious as to why jewelers would then give him £40 a lense for a run of 50 if they could go to china but his interesting answer was that his company can reproduce very high quality glass to any specification even for watches that are long out of production and that is why some jewelers come to them. I suppose if a jeweler is reconditioning a 25 year old £2000 watch then a customer would probably be delighted at getting his watch refurbished for £200 which still gives the jeweler a healthy mark up.

Yes a long story lol but I found the actual conversation quite interesting and it added faith in the quality of my CWL.

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Terminator wrote:I also did not quite expect voters to be quite so analytical with the poll questions lmao.
NEVER, and I repeat NEVER under estimate my ability to analyze myself into a corner, or a panic. :D
Terminator wrote: In fact he wanted to test it but I would not let him
Tell him for a mere 160 pounds he can find out. :wink:
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