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Hicksmat wrote:This is a CW forum. If you don't own one and want to bash them then f-off and do it on TZ or similar. I am sick of reading about this now.


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bobbubka wrote:
Hicksmat wrote:This is a CW forum. If you don't own one and want to bash them then f-off and do it on TZ or similar. I am sick of reading about this now.


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According to his profile above your photograph he does.

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Hicksmat wrote:Do you own any CW watches?
Nothing in the Rules and Etiquette saying only CW owners can post on here :?
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Scrogg wrote:
Hicksmat wrote:Do you own any CW watches?
Nothing in the Rules and Etiquette saying only CW owners can post on here :?
Seems non-CW owners can take pokes at the brand and the watches tho. How unfair.
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Hicksmat wrote:Seems non-CW owners can take pokes at the brand and the watches tho. How unfair.
Does it actually matter though? Does it make any real difference to you or your life?

It's just stuff. It's irrelevant. Ignore them.
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Ladies....please !
Can we take off them twisted knickers and put them on straight again ??

Who, really gives a rats arse about who's bigger, brighter, stronger or older than the other.
It's a free market and people will but what they like. If they ain't got the cash, they will save until they have it or buy summat else.
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JakeBlixx wrote:
robert75 wrote:Damasko sell 3k watches online Sinn likewise I am sure if you walked into your local cash converters with a Sinn or Damasko you would probably get the same blank look from the girl behind the counter used to trading a knackered Xbox as you would with a CW.
I've never really been particularly concerned with what the girl in a pawn shop thought of my watch, and I can't imagine why anyone else would be either?

If you want to capture the best resale value for your watch, it's like anything else, you have to choose the best market.
Precisely my point.

In regards to the resale of Longines and Oris and the massive discounts to be had you only need look at any given Goldsmiths sale and the raft of Oris watches going at a large percentage off. You can get some of the Longines range for at least £500 off the RRP my old Longines retrograde was at a substantial discount and sold at less than I paid for it and I have seen several other Longines chronographs going for several hundred pounds off the retail price in comparison some CW hold their value reasonably well. That being said there are plenty of Longines watches that hold their value very well and vintage ones are well sought after.

In relation to how this thread has descended never quite understood why/how watch discussions are taken so personal.
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reggie747 wrote:...people will but what they like. If they ain't got the cash, they will save until they have it or buy summat else.
I had a revelation today. It's not what it costs it's about what you like.

So it could cost a lot or little. It just has to make you smile I guess.
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st-rider wrote:
reggie747 wrote:...people will but what they like. If they ain't got the cash, they will save until they have it or buy summat else.
I had a revelation today. It's not what it costs it's about what you like.

So it could cost a lot or little. It just has to make you smile I guess.
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Sums it up pretty well for me
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Hicksmat wrote:
bobbubka wrote:
Hicksmat wrote:This is a CW forum. If you don't own one and want to bash them then f-off and do it on TZ or similar. I am sick of reading about this now.


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Currently? No. However, in the last 12 months I've bought around 12 CW watches, but they've been moved on - not for a profit I might add! The fact I'm not a current owner makes me less qualified to comment does it? I also didn't "have a poke at the brand" for what it's worth.


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Gentlemen shall we get back to a civilized discussion? The fact is that CW makes a very good quality watch at a very reasonable price and the product continues to improve. If you want cache and history then buy a Cartier or a JLC and be happy. If you're looking for a very well made and well designed watch and cache and history aren't important to you then, CW is an excellent choice and an excellent value. The fact is that CW uses many of the same or very similar components that many of its much higher priced competitors use. Don't lose sight of that fact and just enjoy the opportunity to own a high quality watch at a fantastic price.
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fishman wrote:The fact is that CW uses many of the same or very similar components that many of its much higher priced competitors use. Don't lose sight of that fact and just enjoy the opportunity to own a high quality watch at a fantastic price.
I don't know what's happening to me, but I appear to be turning into a pedant! :?

Folk keep posting comments stating facts and it makes me think, 'is that right'? Is it a justifiable comment?

I'm sure there is some truth in the above comment, but it's easy to make, isn't it, it would just be nicer if it was backed up with some examples, same as with the issue on this thread earlier about Oris and Longines. For example, with the above, what parts are we talking about, are they modified in any way and how many parts, 1, 2, 3 or more and what are these brands and does any of that justify the view that they're the same? I realise this last bit is subjective.

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Caller wrote:
fishman wrote:The fact is that CW uses many of the same or very similar components that many of its much higher priced competitors use. Don't lose sight of that fact and just enjoy the opportunity to own a high quality watch at a fantastic price.
I don't know what's happening to me, but I appear to be turning into a pedant! :?

Folk keep posting comments stating facts and it makes me think, 'is that right'? Is it a justifiable comment?

I'm sure there is some truth in the above comment, but it's easy to make, isn't it, it would just be nicer if it was backed up with some examples, same as with the issue on this thread earlier about Oris and Longines. For example, with the above, what parts are we talking about, are they modified in any way and how many parts, 1, 2, 3 or more and what are these brands and does any of that justify the view that they're the same? I realise this last bit is subjective.

I'll now go back to reading my thesaurus! :D
fishman's comment is spot on. He doesn't need to name the parts, anyone who knows anything about CWL and other Swiss brands knows that many higher-priced competitors use both modified and unmodified ETA and Sellita movements. Ergo, "same and similar" is absolutely correct. Also, we don't know if some of the case/bracelet machining, straps or dial parts is done in same Chinese factories.

If you wish to establish which luxury brands use which movements, then there are dozens of threads but I point you to this one as a starter.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8656

Are you a pedant? I won't say as I'm too polite, but let you decide for yourself if fishman's comment was worthy of challenging.
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tempus fugit wrote:fishman's comment is spot on. He doesn't need to name the parts, anyone who knows anything about CWL and other Swiss brands knows that many higher-priced competitors use both modified and unmodified ETA and Sellita movements. Ergo, "same and similar" is absolutely correct.

Also, we don't know if some of the case/bracelet machining, straps or dial parts is done in same Chinese factories.
Actually, I'm not a pedant, never have been and that took some doing in some aspects of my work before retiring - signing the dotted line to authorise a criminal prosecution for example. It really helps if you're a pedant when doing that. I often skimmed.

And yes, I was aware that CWL and others sometimes use modified and unmodified parts from elsewhere in their watches. But that doesn't make them the, 'same, same' does it, or mean that you're enjoying a bargain if compared to say a Bremont. Some of those modifications are extensive, so as to almost completely alter the watch, plus they sometimes add better quality parts.

But primarily, it's the implication that because CW may share the same base material as others that this makes what CW does the equal of others that are perceived at a higher level, even by me, and I think that's where a little more detail is needed.

I think I could go on forever here, so trust me when I say I am joking by asking if you have any sources for your comment that I have highlighted? :D
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