Kansas City Milkman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:16 am Was there any discussion on how Different T4 will be to 3.1? A face lift on a car is usually mid life and lasts a year or so before a full model refresh is launched - enough to make it worth buying. However the T3.1 face lift seems to be only a few months ahead of a full model refresh and makes me wonder why people would buy if T4 is substantially different.

T4 is now postponed to sometime in 2024.

So I would expect some T3.1 facelift to happen to the existing Pro 600 in coming months. I'm guessing swish-only dials and upgraded bracelet.

By the time we reach T4 there will have to be some further differentiation between the Pro300 and Pro600 lines or one will likely become redundant...

Blackdog wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:29 am . . . . some further differentiation between the Pro300 and Pro600 lines or one will likely become redundant...

CW has been keen to point out, both in the Forum Preview and Loupe, that Pro 300 is an addition to Pro 600 with both versions running together; rather like Omega have the Seamaster Professional and Planet Ocean.

Guy

I'd say the differences between the Omega offerings are greater than the CW atm though.

Thanks for posting pics of the bracelet dimensions, Guy

Can I clarify something?

Your C60 40mm shows 22mm clasp.

My recent sale acquisition C60 40mm Black bezel/Blue dial has a 20mm lug width.

Am I getting confused between clasp width and lug?

golfjunky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:02 amcwvscw.png

That 300 looks good, pity about hands tho.

One thing, might’ve been better to show both models at same size. What do you think?

I agree with your point in general tho.

I just checked my watches regarding bracelet screws.

I have these with screw links - I think I have a couple of Chinese watches with single screws as well
Raymond Weil Freelancer - single screw
Montblanc Timewalker - single screw
Eterna (my wife's) - single screw
Australis SeaShade (kickstarter) - single screw,
(single screw, but used threadlocker, and until I soaked the bracelet in boiling water, I was damaging the screws, and just thought it was because it was an inexpensive watch)
Davidoff Velocity - double screws, and I could not shift them
(I now realise they used threadlocker, and if I had soaked the bracelet first I may have been able to deal with it more easily, but instead I got a jeweller to take out all the removable links, and then I replaced the ones I needed.

I appreciate CW building in very close tolerances, but I think having the screw itself instead of pins and collars is a major upgrade.

So I'm sure the Pro 300 will be easy to deal with, but if there's threadlocker in there give it a hot bath first - and the screwdriver slots will be very narrow, so get a decent (eg Bergeon) screwdriver.

Can anyone comment on the Aquitaine? Did that use threadlocker, or was it easy to get the screws out with 2 screwdrivers.

@rkovars
By the way, thanks for the release video you posted earlier. I enjoyed that.

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:09 am

golfjunky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:02 amcwvscw.png

That 300 looks good, pity about hands tho.

One thing, might’ve been better to show both models at same size. What do you think?

I agree with your point in general tho.

Thanks, much appreciated

However, the 300 now looks bigger.

The dial looks brighter on the 600

golfjunky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:25 am The dial looks brighter on the 600

I agree, but I once returned a 600 b/w because of the legibility problem. I chose that particular model due to a 50% off due to a sale purchase mix up. (Very generous of CW) But couldn’t get away with the hands etc. Photos were no good, because every single photo showed the hands at the best angle and in person the legibility was just not there.

Check through some old threads and I can guarantee that the angle is just right.

Unfortunately I’m not one to order on the off chance I like it, so I’m not sure which route to take. Especially after my return as above.

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:55 am Thanks for posting pics of the bracelet dimensions, Guy

Can I clarify something?

Your C60 40mm shows 22mm clasp.

My recent sale acquisition C60 40mm Black bezel/Blue dial has a 20mm lug width.

Am I getting confused between clasp width and lug?

You spotted my deliberate mistake Brian.

Thanks for pointing that out.

It should, of course read;- C60 Trident 40mm - 22mm (the 22mm is lug width, the line below gives the clasp dimensions).

I've put an appropriate note in my post.

Guy

camdenhells wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:04 pm

Mikkei4 wrote:

jesmat2003 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:02 pm
I would also have liked the option of a black face and coloured bezel like the C60 300 range from 5 or 6 years ago.

The 300 is a good looking watch and if I didn't already have a blue Sealander auto maybe I would have bought a blue dial 300 but as it is I'll stick to my Sealander.

I think CW could have been a bit bolder with the initial colour options though to make this version a bit more "unique", with some other colours (e.g. a pastel blue rather than the green/blue of the Lucerne 36mm Sealander) or mixing dial and bezel colours e.g. white dial with green bezel, white dial with blue bezel.

300 vs 600 - Is a £65 difference sufficient for somebody to choose the 300 over the existing 600?

I’d choose the 300 over the 600 based on the slimmer case and bracelet

I would choose the 300 over the 600, even if the 300 was £65 more than the 600.

600m WR is a marketing device. Nothing more, nothing less.

If I liked a watch and it had 600m WR, and there was no suitable slimmer alternative, at the same price point (+-£100 difference) I would go for the 600. However with an alternative that still had far more WR than was required I would always go for the lower WR that was a slimmer watch.

Neil

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:45 am

Blackdog wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:29 am . . . . some further differentiation between the Pro300 and Pro600 lines or one will likely become redundant...

CW has been keen to point out, both in the Forum Preview and Loupe, that Pro 300 is an addition to Pro 600 with both versions running together; rather like Omega have the Seamaster Professional and Planet Ocean.

Guy

Yes, but The SMP and the PO are VERY different products.

The CW case will be more like the Submariner and the Sea Dweller, which from a distance just look the same. Rolex can get away with that, even considering that the SD is a slow seller in comparison, but for CW is a different challenge.

Now, merging the future 600 with the Elite could be a viable idea. like making the 600 in Titanium, for instance, and keeping the 300 the basic diver in steel. Or improving on the movement for the 600, lik using a SW300.

They will have to find a way to make the 600 more premium to make it more desirable than the 300.

golfjunky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:17 am

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:09 am

golfjunky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:02 amcwvscw.png

That 300 looks good, pity about hands tho.

One thing, might’ve been better to show both models at same size. What do you think?

I agree with your point in general tho.

cwvscw1.png

The 300 just looks a nicer better balanced watch to my eyes. In addition, look how much better the bracelet integration is at the lugs. I think will take a huge amount of the 600 business! (not that it matters)

Edit...Must be a dodgy pic of the 600 surely?