Tourbillion Blues

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jackpipe wrote: LOL, that about sums up how useful I think a tourbillon is for me - Weren't they invented for stationary clocks, not for watches, which get a fair amount of averaging out their orientation relative to the direction of gravity anyway, just due to arm movement, sleeping, etc?
On the other hand, I have just flown to somewhere hot and sticky, and probably at a different elevation to home. I notice my C5 aviator is now running about 5 seconds/day fast, compared to almost total accuracy at home. Are temperature/pressure supposed to affect accuracy, and what horological mechanisms exist to counter these factors?
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I’ve seen small fluctuations up to 5 seconds per day with my C5 without going anywhere. Can’t explain it. It could be just differences in what you do day to day. The differences in how much the mainspring is wound up and/or wound down depending on what you do may be the answer. Hairsprings use to be affected by temperature changes and so came the compensating split wheel balance which expanded and contracted with temperature. Modern hairsprings are not as affected but not 100%. It’s anyone’s guess. A 5 second deviation is nothing out of the norm. Should you suddenly see a 20 second difference than something’s up.

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Thanks Russ,
I'm not really worried, just curious whether/how watchmakers have countered the effect of temperature variations (and perhaps less importantly pressure/humidity), which seems to me more likely to be an issue than gravity.
Although, on the vague subject of gravity, I do wonder if I've suffered time dilation from my jet trip.
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jackpipe wrote:Thanks Russ,
I'm not really worried, just curious whether/how watchmakers have countered the effect of temperature variations (and perhaps less importantly pressure/humidity), which seems to me more likely to be an issue than gravity.

Although, on the vague subject of gravity, I do wonder if I've suffered time dilation from my jet trip.
Yes, you know you have. The faster you go the slower time moves. Therefore time dilation. If you were inside the collision chamber at CERN you could watch time stop.
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Yoda wrote:
jackpipe wrote:Thanks Russ,
I'm not really worried, just curious whether/how watchmakers have countered the effect of temperature variations (and perhaps less importantly pressure/humidity), which seems to me more likely to be an issue than gravity.

Although, on the vague subject of gravity, I do wonder if I've suffered time dilation from my jet trip.
Yes, you know you have. The faster you go the slower time moves. Therefore time dilation. If you were inside the collision chamber at CERN you could watch time stop.
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Yes, that’s true but you can’t determine if you’re really going faster or not. You could be in a Jet traveling the speed of sound and going in the opposite direction to that of the Galactic plane. In that case you would be slowing down instead causing yourself to age faster. The Earth spins on its axis and you assume that speed. The Earth orbits about the Sun so you have that speed. The Galaxy is rotating at its axis so you have that speed. The Universe is expanding so you have that speed. So, it depends on what position everything is in, in order to determine your true cosmic speed in relation to the speed of light which is the standard of time. In other words: Light is a constant. You can’t make light travel faster out of a flash-light by moving forward with it. All you can do is create a Red Shift in the light’s spectrum.

However, the speed of light (186,000 miles per sec) in a perfect vacuum is so fast that any speed you could possibly go on earth is so infinitesimally small by comparison it would make no difference, even if you had a thousand years to whiteness such a difference. The speed of light is constant, unless it passes through a transparent medium such as glass, which is expressed 1/2C or one half the speed of light. Once light passes through the pane of glass it’s be back to its normal speed again.

Yoda, question: In theory: If you could suddenly travel the speed of light for one half hour, would your watch still read 30 minutes more after that time was up when you didn’t age a second?

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Daz, there is one practical effect of all this theory, if I read this correctly. If you travel backwards at the speed of light and fart, then that fart is visible as a red shift...No more blaming the dog....UB :student:
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Great response DAZ. I had to laugh. Yes, what the hell does this have to do with anything?

I am waiting for Yoda’s response. I’m hoping this will twist his brain!

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Daz wrote:
Uncle Bill wrote:Daz, there is one practical effect of all this theory, if I read this correctly. If you travel backwards at the speed of light and fart, then that fart is visible as a red shift...No more blaming the dog....UB :student:
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Well, I'm still standing next to a mountain..............

Right, I am standing on this planet at about 53 degrees North therefor I have rotational energy, at about 24 feet/sec . If I was at the pole I would not. I am also traveling through space at about 90,000 miles an hour around around our Sun. Further, I am on a spiral arm of our galaxy, The Milky Way and were are having a hoot at about 140,000 miles a second.

My C3 which is still not calibrated, is still reading the correct time.






Now what was the question?

Edit to update the speed of rotation
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...In that case you would be slowing down instead causing yourself to age faster.
By a process of deduction, I conclude that I was actually traveling slower, since I most definitely felt a lot older after several hours on board!

Though I thought relativity meant you didn't have to measure your speed relative to any reference point, eg the galactic plane, only relative to whoever you're comparing against, since the speed of light as observed by you, is constant, from any source, at any speed, in every direction - that's just a simple fact.

For example, you see a beam of light from a searchlight on a spaceship that is going very fast. The speed of the beam looks to you to be going at speed c (not c plus the speed of the spaceship), the same as any other ray of light from any other source you can see. But the beam also seems to be going at speed c as observed by the guy operating the searchlight on the fast-moving spaceship. You can't both be right, so since speed = distance/time, and c is constant, either the distance, or the elapsed time that you or the other guy perceive must be different.
But did time run more slowly for me relative to home, or vice versa, since in a sense, home moved away from me, just as much as I traveled away from home.

There's also the question of reduced gravity at the higher altitude, changing lattitude over the course of the trip, changes in acceleration due to the plane's movement, and increased cosmic radiation at altitude.

It's a miracle the watch still reads even the same day.