nbg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:48 am By the time this thread has run its course, I expect many posts, on here and elsewhere (I found a couple of discussions on the internet yesterday, where the watch/price were being openly discussed and the omega etc. comparison was being made ) that…

Compare the price of the 12X to that of a new, grey, early new or lightly used (take your pick!)…

Omega, Tudor, Longines, IWC etc..

That is rather like comparing cucumbers and bananas. Completely different. The only similarity being that technically they are both fruits.

When I buy a watch my only initial criteria is what style of watch am I looking to buy. If looking for a dive watch I may end up with a cheap one, or an expensive one, it depends on which end of the scale I am looking at for that particular purchase.

If I am looking for a dive watch at say £4k I tend not to end up with a £4k 30m WR dress watch on an alligator strap.

Comparing on price only seems rather lame. As would be “that’s just too expensive for brand X” based only on the brand name or logo on the dial.

I do get that skeleton watches are not for everyone and that would be a good reason to say “thanks CW, but this one isn’t for me”.

As to pricing of the 12X…

I will only know if I think it is worth the price and the finishing is as good, as is being sold to potential customers, when I have the watch in hand. If at that stage it doesn’t do it for me, I will simply obtain a refund.

IIRC the C60 Concept released in November 2021 was £3,725 with the bracelet. I think we have had rather a lot of a thing called inflation since then.

Neil

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:56 am

jkbarnes wrote:Didn’t CW release awhile back a pair of watches billed as the last with the SH21 movement? Is my memory correct? And now we have the 12X with a …wait for it… SH21 movement?!

I think we’ve been here before - this is the last quartz movement; well no actually, these are the last quartz; oh look, quartz!

As for the watch, it’s an impressive creation, for sure, but not for me.

Not quite right, Drew, the C65 Blue Marine and Snow Leopard were billed as the last SH21 before the introduction of an SH21 2.0.

Whether, as fitted in The Twelve X (Ti), we've got the SH21 2.0 is maybe open to debate. Certainly, the reworked bridges and new machined platine go a long way to making it an SH21 2.0.

It's probably more about evolution than revolution; if it ain't broke, why fix it.

Guy

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missF wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:42 pm This might make some skewed sense (it's a strange one - watches aren't houses and houses aren't luxury items ) but it doesn't allow any space at all for watch companies to build great watches 'outside their remit' - because in what you say here it's you defining what that remit should be.

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:47 pm For those troubled by the price: A CW staffer on Reddit reiterated the 3x margin policy and indicated that this model is no exception.

Mikkei4 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:17 pm It's done now but maybe the 2 Anniversary dates should have been celebrated separately with 2 different watches - this watch for the 10years of SH21 but a special version of another watch for the 20 years of CW to celebrate the Value For Money aspect of CW that has enabled so many of their customers to buy into the brand.

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:29 pm Fair enough. I just think there’s a big difference between “not for me” and “how dare they” that isn’t being recognized (predominantly on Reddit).

rkovars wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:04 pm

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:56 am Not quite right, Drew, the C65 Blue Marine and Snow Leopard were billed as the last SH21 before the introduction of an SH21 2.0.

Whether, as fitted in The Twelve X (Ti), we've got the SH21 2.0 is maybe open to debate. Certainly, the reworked bridges and new machined platine go a long way to making it an SH21 2.0.

It's probably more about evolution than revolution; if it ain't broke, why fix it.

Guy

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I would say it is more of an SH21 1.5 not 2.0. No real dimensional or feature changes just esthetics.

asqwerth wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:41 pm

rkovars wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:04 pm

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:56 am Not quite right, Drew, the C65 Blue Marine and Snow Leopard were billed as the last SH21 before the introduction of an SH21 2.0.

Whether, as fitted in The Twelve X (Ti), we've got the SH21 2.0 is maybe open to debate. Certainly, the reworked bridges and new machined platine go a long way to making it an SH21 2.0.

It's probably more about evolution than revolution; if it ain't broke, why fix it.

Guy

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I would say it is more of an SH21 1.5 not 2.0. No real dimensional or feature changes just esthetics.

I just read the latest Loupe online.

Looks like their SH21 2.0 has been pushed to 2025 and will include "CW's most popular complication" . Size isn't going to get small though, since it says the smallest case size it will fit into is still 40.5mm.

I'm guessing the complication in question is the GMT.

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:29 pm Fair enough. I just think there’s a big difference between “not for me” and “how dare they” that isn’t being recognized (predominantly on Reddit).

rkovars wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:32 pm

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:29 pm Fair enough. I just think there’s a big difference between “not for me” and “how dare they” that isn’t being recognized (predominantly on Reddit).

I certainly don't think the price is out there. See my post above with the Oris ProPilot X Titanium skeleton released in 2019. The internet has a short memory.

MikePearson55 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:10 pm It has a higher price than the core collection of CW but this is part of our atelier collection and I’d compare it to what we did price wise for Bel Canto.

rkovars wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:24 pm

Mikkei4 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:17 pm It's done now but maybe the 2 Anniversary dates should have been celebrated separately with 2 different watches - this watch for the 10years of SH21 but a special version of another watch for the 20 years of CW to celebrate the Value For Money aspect of CW that has enabled so many of their customers to buy into the brand.

I kind of like this idea. Release a Halo watch and another watch that reaches back into the catalog and updates it like they did with the Revival a couple of years ago. Although, the year is still young.

Mikkei4 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:55 pm

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:29 pm Fair enough. I just think there’s a big difference between “not for me” and “how dare they” that isn’t being recognized (predominantly on Reddit).

I agree with you totally on this comment. What we write here won't stop what's on Reddit.

rkovars wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:32 pm

StevenFriebe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:29 pm Fair enough. I just think there’s a big difference between “not for me” and “how dare they” that isn’t being recognized (predominantly on Reddit).

I certainly don't think the price is out there. See my post above with the Oris ProPilot X Titanium skeleton released in 2019. The internet has a short memory.

I don't think anybody is disagreeing with you re. how good the price is from CW for this type of watch when compared to similar watches from other brands like Oris (as you have shown) and other brands etc. But if this CW watch isn't what somebody likes then it's probably inevitable that the price will be used to express what else (of a more "standard" design) could be bought for that money from other brands that have been "established" for more than 20 years.