Can someone clarify the dimension please. There seems to be a sort of pyramid design to the 12.

There is a case at the bottom, on which sits the dodecagon, presumably slightly smaller, and then an even smaller circular frame for the dial. Which of these measures 40mm?

In the same way, which measurement is 36mm with the new one?

rc51owner wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:43 pm

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:38 pm ^^^ As far as I know it’s still a SW200-1. You just run it without date wheel or window…I think.

But does it have a ghost position for setting the non visible date on the stem?

Cheers,

M

CW confirm on the official Instagram post that the smaller 12 does not have ghost position.

JAFO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:19 pm There is a case at the bottom, on which sits the dodecagon, presumably slightly smaller, and then an even smaller circular frame for the dial. Which of these measures 40mm?

In the same way, which measurement is 36mm with the new one?

Get in as close to the crown guard as you can before the case shoulder starts to angle away, then measure straight across a diameter to the vertical edge of the case on the other side. I have measured that at 40 mm.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:45 pm

JAFO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:19 pm There is a case at the bottom, on which sits the dodecagon, presumably slightly smaller, and then an even smaller circular frame for the dial. Which of these measures 40mm?

In the same way, which measurement is 36mm with the new one?

Get in as close to the crown guard as you can before the case shoulder starts to angle away, then measure straight across a diameter to the vertical edge of the case on the other side. I have measured that at 40 mm.


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So the circular frame around the dial is probably no more than 38mm then, and maybe only 34mm on the nominally 36mm version?

JAFO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:48 pm So the circular frame around the dial is probably no more than 38mm then, and maybe only 34mm on the nominally 36mm version?

The circular bezel that runs outside the dodecagon is a whisker under 39 mm. Looks like about 38.7 mm with a cheap analogue caliper and old eyes…so expect error. Not the easiest watch in the history of the universe when it comes to taking measurements.

I like it! A couple of the 40mm Twelve, from when I tried on my nephew’s. And for comparison with a selection of other 36mm models. Neil

For me then a 36 it must be.
I am however greedy: I want Ti and a COSC SW300 please.

That said, I doubt we'll see much about that prior to say November since that is the pre-order supply frame for the existing 40mm Ti.

I really like it. 36mm is my preferred size and this feels great. Also so far +/-0 secs

Deciding on the colour was tough but happy with blue.

@nbg This photo is interesting. To my eyes the C63s look bigger, and the Rolex certainly looks the smallest of the four. If asked, I would not have said that they were the same size.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:58 am @nbg This photo is interesting. To my eyes the C63s look bigger, and the Rolex certainly looks the smallest of the four. If asked, I would not have said that they were the same size.

The crystals of all three different models (measured with a ruler) are approximately 30mm, albeit a slight difference between all three.

If put in order it would be 29.5mm C12, 30.0mm Explorer and 30.5mm C63.

I agree the Explorer looks the smallest. In reality it is slightly less than 36mm (fractionally smaller than the older 36mm model). The chunkier lugs on the C63 also help to make it visually larger than the Explorer.

Neil

@nbg Thanks. Fascinating what messages the eyes and brain get!

Now, I know the height of the 36 mm Sealanders is 11.85 mm, and the Twelve 36 is 9.95 mm. Because of the way they sit on the roll, the Explorer looks similar to the Twelve. Is it?

nbg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:54 pm I like it!
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A couple of the 40mm Twelve, from when I tried on my nephew’s.
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And for comparison with a selection of other 36mm models.
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Neil

I asked about that the other day. I wondered where the diameter of the 12 was actually measured, as the circular watch case sits within the 12 sided surround, and that all sits on the outer watch case. I thought it was Steve @Amor Vincit Omnia who measured the the watch ring at under 39mm, which seems to correspond to your observations.

On that basis the 36 may be really between 34mm and 35mm.

JAFO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:24 pm On that basis the 36 may be really between 34mm and 35mm.

No, the Twelve 36 really is 36mm. That is the diameter/width of the case, excluding the crown guards and crown.

By my measurements, the other (some more important) metrics for the watch are:

The circular part of the bezel is 34.6mm in diameter.

The dodecagon part of the bezel is 32.8mm wide.

The crystal diameter is 29.1mm.

The dial diameter (including the minute track) is 28.0mm.

I often advocate that it is the dial size that is the primary factor in how large a watch wears. Other watches in my collect of a similar dial size are:

Tudor BB54 (37mm case): 25.7mm
C65 Super Compressor (41mm case): 27.0mm
Omega Aqua Terra (38.5mm case): 27.1mm
Rolex Explorer (old 36mm model): 27.9mm
C12 Twelve 36: 28.0mm
C65 Chronograph (41mm case): 28.4mm
Zenith Chronomaster Sport (41mm case): 28.4mm
C63 New Forest Yellow (36mm case): 28.6mm
C1 Moonglow (40.5mm case): 28.6mm (measured to just inside the date track, i.e. this is the size of the time-telling dial.)
Zelos Mako (40mm case): 28.8mm
Nomos Club Campus (36mm case): 28.9mm
C60 Trident Pro 300 (40mm case): 29.3mm

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