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Caller wrote:Look, I get that everyone has the right to use the forum as they choose fit and excuse me for just highlighting the above points from your post. But you have made 20 posts per year in each of the last three years. So if you want all the things as posted above, then get involved more. It's a bit rich complaining about what some do post when you hardly post at all.
Your sentiment is fair comment, but the interpretation a bit wide of the mark. True, I joined 2013 for a look, but left almost immediately. Upon buying a first CW at Christmas '15, I re-activated my log-in, first posting Feb '16, averaging 10 posts per month since, which makes me just about a third as prolific as you since getting actively involved.

Sure, I'm hardly Barbara Cartland in the productivity stakes, but I try and add value. Perhaps if I start posting "Nice watch m8", "Happy Birthday *insert Internet stranger's name here* ", or waded into the 'three words' thread in earnest, I would have a more populous & worthy post count. But I'd also be starring in the 'Asinine' thread. That's not a dig at you, by the way - just observing that last time I checked, it wasn't a competition.

Those posters more senior than I make valued contributions and keep things moving - long may it continue, criticism and all. The issue I & others have raised is more the manner of posting, rather than volume (aside from the sheer repetitiveness at times), so I feel you're missing the point a bit.
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jmarchitect wrote:There are things I genuinely find tiresome, like knob heads trying to kill me on the road and chavvy **** annoying my children. Skimming over lively banter and colourful statements on a watch forum doesn't really compare, even that which might be described as repetitive. I find the asinine posts way more offensive and there seems to be a plethora of those these days, with little hope of moderation as they probably fit into the mean little box that has been conjured up as the yard stick by which the forum is to be run. Rebrand, new models that don't match our expectations, endless tales of eff ups by the new, thrusting CWL, nonsensical statements by the guys in charge at CWL, these are things that will surely attract negative comments as they would in any walk of life and seeking to staunch the flow of such comments with blanket announcements is flaccid.

^^^ Absolutely spot on......it's just a watch forum that exists somewhere in the ether: nothing life changing going on here. Personally this is just a mild distraction and source of entertainment.
Surely the forum is what the contributors make it, no matter how diverse the input may be as long as things stay within the published rules.


We seem to be entering a regime where personal taste and opinion is attempting to steer and control the forum in order to purge certain types of content.

This is not the first example - we also had the extremely entertaining Lewis threads killed off due to mods' personal taste.


Unless there is a clear transgression of the rules the mods should, with all due respect, back off. No issue with the mods expressing their personal disagreement with any thread content - that is free speech - but coming along with a big stick to try to overtly influence content is something else.

If that's where things are going I will be off because I have no interest in reading sanitised content. I strongly suspect that most of the contributors I look out for are amongst those to whom this was aimed. Unfortunately these guys are the ones who make humorous and entertaining posts as opposed to repetitive tedium.
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PaulJS wrote:
jmarchitect wrote:There are things I genuinely find tiresome, like knob heads trying to kill me on the road and chavvy **** annoying my children. Skimming over lively banter and colourful statements on a watch forum doesn't really compare, even that which might be described as repetitive. I find the asinine posts way more offensive and there seems to be a plethora of those these days, with little hope of moderation as they probably fit into the mean little box that has been conjured up as the yard stick by which the forum is to be run. Rebrand, new models that don't match our expectations, endless tales of eff ups by the new, thrusting CWL, nonsensical statements by the guys in charge at CWL, these are things that will surely attract negative comments as they would in any walk of life and seeking to staunch the flow of such comments with blanket announcements is flaccid.

^^^ Absolutely spot on......it's just a watch forum that exists somewhere in the ether: nothing life changing going on here. Personally this is just a mild distraction and source of entertainment.
Surely the forum is what the contributors make it, no matter how diverse the input may be as long as things stay within the published rules.


We seem to be entering a regime where personal taste and opinion is attempting to steer and control the forum in order to purge certain types of content.

This is not the first example - we also had the extremely entertaining Lewis threads killed off due to mods' personal taste.


Unless there is a clear transgression of the rules the mods should, with all due respect, back off. No issue with the mods expressing their personal disagreement with any thread content - that is free speech - but coming along with a big stick to try to overtly influence content is something else.

If that's where things are going I will be off because I have no interest in reading sanitised content. I strongly suspect that most of the contributors I look out for are amongst those to whom this was aimed. Unfortunately these guys are the ones who make humorous and entertaining posts as opposed to repetitive tedium.
[/moderator off] What a load of old tosh, and a couple of classic demonstrations of (deliberately?) missing the point. It seems other readers are able to grasp the basic message, but it's also apparent that some - no matter how flowery their own language - choose to read more than is written. [/moderator on]
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Hicksmat wrote:
sproughton wrote:
Hicksmat wrote:Bite me.
Hicksmat wrote: is your nick really ISIS? Wtf?
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You sound more and more like a small child with every post. Though I'd be disappointed in any child that essentially uses "I know you are but what am I then" style retorts

And 'bite me'? Christ on a bike
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PaulJS wrote:
jmarchitect wrote:There are things I genuinely find tiresome, like knob heads trying to kill me on the road and chavvy **** annoying my children. Skimming over lively banter and colourful statements on a watch forum doesn't really compare, even that which might be described as repetitive. I find the asinine posts way more offensive and there seems to be a plethora of those these days, with little hope of moderation as they probably fit into the mean little box that has been conjured up as the yard stick by which the forum is to be run. Rebrand, new models that don't match our expectations, endless tales of eff ups by the new, thrusting CWL, nonsensical statements by the guys in charge at CWL, these are things that will surely attract negative comments as they would in any walk of life and seeking to staunch the flow of such comments with blanket announcements is flaccid.

^^^ Absolutely spot on......it's just a watch forum that exists somewhere in the ether: nothing life changing going on here. Personally this is just a mild distraction and source of entertainment.
Surely the forum is what the contributors make it, no matter how diverse the input may be as long as things stay within the published rules.


We seem to be entering a regime where personal taste and opinion is attempting to steer and control the forum in order to purge certain types of content.

This is not the first example - we also had the extremely entertaining Lewis threads killed off due to mods' personal taste.


Unless there is a clear transgression of the rules the mods should, with all due respect, back off. No issue with the mods expressing their personal disagreement with any thread content - that is free speech - but coming along with a big stick to try to overtly influence content is something else.

If that's where things are going I will be off because I have no interest in reading sanitised content. I strongly suspect that most of the contributors I look out for are amongst those to whom this was aimed. Unfortunately these guys are the ones who make humorous and entertaining posts as opposed to repetitive tedium.
This would be an excellent post if you had your facts straight.
^^^ Absolutely spot on......it's just a watch forum that exists somewhere in the ether: nothing life changing going on here. Personally this is just a mild distraction and source of entertainment.
Surely the forum is what the contributors make it, no matter how diverse the input may be as long as things stay within the published rules.
The problem is that it has only become entertaining by the few that view this as their personal sandbox and won't let anyone else play. Despite the ignore option, one must still wade through the same droll drival, repetitive complaints, duplicated, repetitive, snide remarks and sarcasm in seemingly every thread.
We seem to be entering a regime where personal taste and opinion is attempting to steer and control the forum in order to purge certain types of content.

This is not the first example - we also had the extremely entertaining Lewis threads killed off due to mods' personal taste.
The original Lewis thread was killed off because it violated the rule of no personal attacks. The second was locked down because it had drifted the same way.
Unless there is a clear transgression of the rules the mods should, with all due respect, back off. No issue with the mods expressing their personal disagreement with any thread content - that is free speech - but coming along with a big stick to try to overtly influence content is something else.
The Admin Team is not trying to influence content anymore than anyone else does by putting up new posts. We are only enforcing the rules and responding to repeated complaints and concerns by members that approach us directly.
If that's where things are going I will be off because I have no interest in reading sanitised content. I strongly suspect that most of the contributors I look out for are amongst those to whom this was aimed. Unfortunately these guys are the ones who make humorous and entertaining posts as opposed to repetitive tedium.
Humorous and entertaining is one thing. Acting like a Troll or constantly exhibiting Troll like behavior is another.
If you feel you must be off, may I suggest having a look in the "Gateway" section at the list of other forums. Perhaps you will find a more suitable location.
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downer wrote:And to repeat...

It's not about censorship - and we will not be providing some nice convenient 'limits' of what is acceptable. It's not about what is said, it's about the frequency, it's about the tone, it's about posting in inappropriate threads, it's about peppering the forum with 'victim' references, it's about time some unhappy people found something else to moan about.
Another (non-watch) forum that I frequent has quite strict rules on where you can post, and if you stray off topic to something that relates to another existing thread topic (jokes and ribbing aside) the mods often simply move the posts (sometimes wholesale) to the thread or threads that the post is relevant to - they don't usually delete them, so their comments at still there, just in a different place. It keeps the thread continuity flowing pretty well as a rule and you still see the moved posts in the relevant threads if they're of interest to you.

They sometimes put in a warning that the thread is going off topic before taking any action. Sometimes it includes a request for thread participants to (re)read the forum rules. Usually these are enough to head off further derailment; if the warning is ignored, then they just shift the posts or close the thread. A quick squiz at the forum rules once or twice a year is something that's not a bad idea.

They're also quite strict on remaining civil - you can complain or post contrary opinions as much as you wish, but let it get personal and they're onto it pretty quick. Keeps it pretty friendly as a rule and threads tend to stay reasonably on topic. This forum =typically= runs along those lines without too much in the way of moderator intervention. That's a good thing IMO as it means we're generally treated like the grown-ups we like to believe we are. But if we step out of line, too far, or too often, then a reminder of that from the mods should be expected. As an aside, I don't think I'd like to be a mod on any forum, even one like this one, it's a bugger of job, one that goes un/under-appreciated most of the time.

Personally, I don't mind seeing threads wander a bit, it can be quite enjoyable, particularly if the commentary is amusing. I get a bit tired of anyone thrashing a dead horse (except for The Laird's ongoing campaign to bring back the Kingfisher!) so I tend to skim over those, but it really pains me to see it getting personal between forum members.
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I've just had a "board" warning off Kip. Pathetic double standards.

My posts removed but the personal posts attacking me remain present.

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Shakes head in disbelief at what he is reading.

Personally I haven't seen anything that I would deem as trolling but I suppose the issue is that most of this discussion is based on subjective views on both sides. However, I am finding on my return that the Forum has become even more conservative and tepid

However, as Kip states I think there are more fun, informative and interesting places to play!
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So people are not breaking rules but because they are not saying what you want them to say or saying something too much, you want them to leave Kip? or should that be Kim Jong Un?
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Kip wrote

The Admin Team is not trying to influence content anymore than anyone else does by putting up new posts. We are only enforcing the rules and responding to repeated complaints and concerns by members that approach us directly.

But surely if these whingers are just whining about people who are not breaking the rules then surely they should be ignored?
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golfjunky wrote:So people are not breaking rules but because they are not saying what you want them to say or saying something too much, you want them to leave Kip? or should that be Kim Jong Un?
Perhaps you should read my words rather than twist them about.
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golfjunky wrote:Kip wrote

The Admin Team is not trying to influence content anymore than anyone else does by putting up new posts. We are only enforcing the rules and responding to repeated complaints and concerns by members that approach us directly.

But surely if these whingers are just whining about people who are not breaking the rules then surely they should be ignored?
Ignoring them does not preclude having to sift through the posts in a thread of personal interest. You have obviously missed the point of downers post.
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Kip wrote:
golfjunky wrote:So people are not breaking rules but because they are not saying what you want them to say or saying something too much, you want them to leave Kip? or should that be Kim Jong Un?
Perhaps you should read my words rather than twist them about.

Kip, you and others see trolling and some do not. You or Richard shouldn't act upon your opinion in this situation. The only point in trying to make is that in the majority the posts are not breaking rules they are just not want some want to read therefore this is all just opinion. So maybe the whingers should find a more suitable forum.
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