There's Camel Vintage Oak and then there's Camel Vintage Oak

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There's Camel Vintage Oak and then there's Camel Vintage Oak

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Interesting observation. Around March of this year I purchased a C63 Sealander in green with the camel vintage oak leather strap. This week, I took delivery of a C63 GMT in white with, ostensibly, the same camel vintage oak leather strap. Take a look at the photos, it is quite a different product. Did I miss something? Was this a well known/advertised change?
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Hmm. Have you spoken with Customer Services about this? I know that with any natural product such as leather there's always an element of "colours may vary" but you've got you've got two very different biscuits or varieties of chocolate there. I guess the question is whether you reject one colour as not suitable/not what you expected.
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For what it's worth, the lighter coloured one of those two straps matches what I have received as a camel strap previously.
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I noticed that as well when I ordered just the strap a couple of months ago. The pics on the website correctly display color and texture but in the flesh the difference was bigger than anticipated. The thing I can't get my head around is the stitching on the new strap, why is the "angle" the same on both the left and right hand side? You would think they would mirror the left and right hand sides as it's stitched at a small angle.
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While my experience is not as dramatic as the photos you shared, I have noticed that the current version of the vintage strap seems a lot different from an older version I have. The colors are more or less the same, but the “vintagey” aspect is different. Don’t get me wrong, I still like the strap. I just like the older version much better
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Mike, I don’t recall any announcement being made about a change. Perhaps the supplier changed, or maybe it’s just the variation in the available materials?

I noticed the same. My pic below shows 2 camel vintage oak leather straps. The one on the left purchased within the last month, the one on the right purchased Feb 2021. There is a good amount of patination on the older strap, but you can see the difference in the color and stitching just like yours.

I’m happy with both. I didn’t intend it, but it gives me slightly different strap options :D

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^^^^ You're all absolutely correct, gents.

The current (new?) Vintage Oak straps are subtly different to the previous ones, of which I have several in Camel, Brown and Black both 22mm and 20mm. Back in the summer I picked up, new from CW, a green one and immediately noticed the following differences;-

1. Slightly deeper, softer feel to the top surface, almost like Nubuck.
2. The underside / lining is more like a soft suede, as opposed to smooth calf.
3. There is a retaining loop for the second, floating keeper to limit how far it can wander away from the buckle towards the watch.
4. The stitching clearly uses a thicker, off white thread.

All of these I put down to a specification change or upgrade, perhaps associated, as suggested by Alex, with a change of supplier.


However, the most important change / benefit for me, which no-one has yet mentioned, is a change in the length (on my green one).

The total length is the same as before but, whereas previously the straps were 80mm / 125mm long it is now 85mm / 120mm long.

This 5mm change in the length of the short, buckle section allows the buckle to sit further round and the buckle to sit more centrally on the underside of my wrist, with the effect that the watch head doesn't seem to wander around my wrist, away from me. A winner. :clap: :clap:

Is this change of length applicable to the Camel, and other, coloured straps as well?

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^^^ Good catch, Guy. I didn’t notice before, but just confirmed the old one is 125/80 and the new is 120/85.

Unfortunately either way it’s a little too long for my skinny wrist. I have both on a bader style deployment clasp, and the change doesn’t seem to make an impact to me.
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^^^^ Thanks for confirming the new ones are 85mm / 120mm, Alex.

It gives me confidence to buy in the future.

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Looking at the various colors of the vintage oak straps on the CW website, the color of the new one they sent you closely matches the "brown" vintage oak strap and not the camel vintage oak. It's obvious from your picture they sent you the right style of strap, just the wrong color. I had this happen to me a couple of years ago. When I pointed out to CW customer service they had sent me the wrong color strap they said they had run out of the camel vintage at the time. They went ahead and sent me two of their nice Nato straps and told me to keep the wrong colored leather strap. I was pleased with their customer service as they did their best to make things right. If you contact customer service I'm sure they will send you the correct colored strap if they have it in stock.

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Quick question - does the newer strap have a small ribbon to keep one of the retainers from drifting too far along the strap?
If so, then this style has been made by a totally different manufacturer (as far as I am aware). As a result, the leathers they source are likely to be very different from the original manufacturer.
If this is not the case, individual pieces of leather, even those cut from the same hide, can vary massively in colour, feel and texture. I’ve made dozens of my own leather straps and colour-matching is always something I am aware of, especially if I am making a gift for family/friends. So long as both buckle and tail piece match each other then I am not too fussed.
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Thanks all for the input and insights! Meant to follow up with this earlier. As you can see, the differing construction on the underside.
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Jcalder68 wrote:Quick question - does the newer strap have a small ribbon to keep one of the retainers from drifting too far along the strap?

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Just a quick update - CW is sending out another camel strap for me, gratis. Happy chappy, well done CW (as expected).
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UPDATE: *throws hands up* Well, I don't know!
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