My C60 Trident Pro 600 hombre fitted with the SW200-1 movement has a resistance when using the crown & stem to wind the watch and set the date and time.

The watch runs within COSC.

I wonder about sending it back to CW for attention and on the back of recent experience would hope to get it back before Christmas.

Any thoughts you guys?

Is it a warranty issue? If so then back to CW, but otherwise, I'd try to find a watchmaker near to you to have a look.

Is it stiff even compared to your other SW200 watches? Comparing my SW200 to my SW300 series movement (GMT), the SW200 has a notable amount of resistance, much more than the 300 series. I only have the COSC version of the SW200 in my C63 elite which has an ultra thin crown, but it does feel a similar resistance to the non-COSC SW200.

Even so, if it's running fine I'd personally not worry about it or send it in. But that's just me; if you want the peace of mind, nobody will stop you from sending it in!

Has it always had a stiffness to the movement, or is this something that has manifested itself recently?

How does it compare to your other SW200-1 powered watches?

Also there's stiff, it needs a firm twist, and there's stiff, I think I'm about to break something. .

Guy

PS> the SW300 series is a whole new ball game.

Sent from my Galaxy S23 Ultra using Tapatalk

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:17 am 1. Has it always had a stiffness to the movement, or is this something that has manifested itself recently?

2. How does it compare to your other SW200-1 powered watches?

3. Also there's stiff, it needs a firm twist, and there's stiff, I think I'm about to break something. .

Guy

4. PS> the SW300 series is a whole new ball game.

Sent from my Galaxy S23 Ultra using Tapatalk

Guy thank you. I've taken the liberty of numbering your questions and my answers are as follows:


1. I've got to bear in mind that I wear this one maybe one day in 40 but I'd say this isn't a new thing.

2. This is the only stiffy among them. I've just been through the fleet.

3. There's silent resistance to winding the crown in either direction so it isn't crunchy or noisy.
Setting the hands, moving the date wheel, everything has the same level of, well it feels like resistance. Unscrewing the crown from threaded down almost feels like the crown threads are binding but they aren't; feeling the stem move from detent to detent when changing positions 1, 2 and 3 in both directions, you know how sometimes when you unscrew the crown from P1 it almost jumps to P2 and thence P3? Not here.

4. Hopefully I'll be commenting very soon.

I've initiated a return to base: the watch is within warranty. Had the watch been out of warranty I might be tempted to release the stem and put it back in just to satisfy myself that there's nothing in the stem tube which shouldn't be there.

tikkathree wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:17 pm I've initiated a return to base: the watch is within warranty. Had the watch been out of warranty I might be tempted to release the stem and put it back in just to satisfy myself that there's nothing in the stem tube which shouldn't be there.

I think this is the best course. It sounds to me like the reverser wheels are starting to stick. I think it would have been a matter of time before the spinning rotor syndrome reared its ugly head. They should sort it.

rkovars wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:41 pm

tikkathree wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:17 pm I've initiated a return to base: the watch is within warranty. Had the watch been out of warranty I might be tempted to release the stem and put it back in just to satisfy myself that there's nothing in the stem tube which shouldn't be there.

I think this is the best course. It sounds to me like the reverser wheels are starting to stick. I think it would have been a matter of time before the spinning rotor syndrome reared its ugly head. They should sort it.

And confirmation received from CW, as if 'twere needed, that rectification will be dealt with under warranty.
Isn't "part repair" a term which is ambiguous in its meaning? "Achieve partial repair"? No, it can't be that. "Repair a part"? Plausibly.

Hi, I'm new to the forum and have the same issue with an 18 month old Trident 300. It has been back once already and had the reverser wheels lubricated but it's gone stiff again. Is this just something you have to live with on the SW200 movement? Sounds like the 300 movement is better and I wonder if that movement can be fitted to the watch instead?

I have a few watches that are stiff to wind. I would rather have hand-wind with no screwdown crown to be honest. I've never had a handwound watch that's been hard to wind.

Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:44 am Hi, I'm new to the forum and have the same issue with an 18 month old Trident 300. It has been back once already and had the reverser wheels lubricated but it's gone stiff again. Is this just something you have to live with on the SW200 movement? Sounds like the 300 movement is better and I wonder if that movement can be fitted to the watch instead?

The reverser wheels are typically not meant to be lubricated, usually they are just replaced. That said, you can get them back to operational with a thorough clean and the lightest touch of thin watch oil on the cams inside the wheels (if you're careful).

You'll know if they're sticking, as the rotor will try to move when winding, hold it dial side down when doing this and watch for the rotor movement.
Another reason for the stiffness, could be lack of lubrication on the stem inside the pendant tube, either way, if it seems wrong, you should see about a warranty repair.

Just to add (because I missed it) the SW300 is considered a premium movement, but will not be replaceable for the SW200, due to differences in dimensions and dial post locations.

Quick update. My Trident 300 went back to CW for repair under the warranty and they contacted me today to say they are replacing the reverser wheels. Since I had had a moan about the issue (second time it's happened in 18 months) they are also going to thoroughly examine the rest of the movement to ensure correct functioning.
Hopefully it will feel much smoother and stay that way for longer fingers crossed. If not I'll be returning it for a refund and look for another brand with a nice white face etc.

It’s not a brand issue, it’s more of a movement issue.

The Trident is back from CW after the warranty work. Reverser wheels replaced and so far it feels beautifully smooth