Summary - Chat with Chris 2018

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:
Mikkei4 wrote:* Is that a portion of the C65 GMT showing in the photo under
Kip wrote:New C65 bracelet to be brushed
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Yes, tell tale is the 22, 24 on the bezel, and the whole watch is stunning.

Saw it on our 'Mods' visit to CWL.

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TigerChris wrote:As you’ve seen the whole watch Guy are you allowed to say whether it has a date window or are you sworn to secrecy until release?
Sorry Chris.

I could say that I'm sworn to secrecy (which I am) but honestly, I can't remember.

I was too much taken by the overall look provided by the naked bezel insert.

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^^^ From that GMT photo fragment it looks like a slate grey dial, double batons rather than a 12 numeral and a S.S. bezel? Although the angle and box crystal distortion might be disguising reality.

If that’s what’s released then I think it will be very stylish and possibly negate the 6/G debate.
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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:
TigerChris wrote:As you’ve seen the whole watch Guy are you allowed to say whether it has a date window or are you sworn to secrecy until release?
Sorry Chris.

I could say that I'm sworn to secrecy (which I am) but honestly, I can't remember.

I was too much taken by the overall look provided by the naked bezel insert.

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No probs. It does look stunning from the teaser shots.
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I’ve got a weakness for GMT watches and this is fascinating me, in particular the movement.

It would seem to me that one of the design objectives (and by inference limitation) of the current C65 is the depth of the case, hence the manual SW210 which is only about 3.3mm high. The standard Selitta GMT calibre is the SW330 (ETA 2893 equiv.) which is nearly 1mm deeper. Hence the C60 GMT with the 4th stacked GMT hand being about 2mm deeper than the C65.

The SH21 seems to be modular so I assume a GMT function could be added, either as a 4th hand or a sub-dial.

Given that the bronze C65 is SH21 based are the various future C65 complications also going to SH21 based, making them a ‘premium priced’ line?
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Any idea how they have concluded the average age of a buyer is? Don't recall ever submitting my age or date of birth when buying from CW.
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what-time-is-it wrote:Any idea how they have concluded the average age of a buyer is? Don't recall ever submitting my age or date of birth when buying from CW.
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Thank you Kip.
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what-time-is-it wrote:Any idea how they have concluded the average age of a buyer is? Don't recall ever submitting my age or date of birth when buying from CW.
Is there an age bracket question on the Survey that has recently been circulated and / or in the TrustPilot review?

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Thank you Kip, and anyone else involved. It is indeed very much appreciated.

My observations

I'm confused about the financial cost of making a 40mm version of the C60.
All the research and design has already been done on the 38mm and 43mm.
The movement doesn't need to change. It's purely a scaling issue of the case. Seems like a few hours work to upscale/downscale a case by a given percentage and alter the hand length. I'm clearly missing something.

Service pods are great, I hope they're realistically priced.

I'm happy they're developing a quick release bracelet and very surprised they're working on a self-adjusting clasp. The consensus seems to be that the Tudor version, they're aspiring to on their mood board, is far too bulky and their own, existing, micro adjustment is already fantastic.

The C65 GMT looks great but why are they embarrassed about the twin flag logo? Why are they trying to hide it by recessing it and colouring it the same as the dial? Put a high quality applied logo on there and be proud.

The C65 SH21 looks amazing. The WR writing somewhat offsets the blemish at 9 ( the mirror image, right justified position is a nice touch.), the textured subdial looks great and the bronze with blue bezel looks stunning. (I was disappointed the C60 bronze didn't maintain the coloured bezel of the early mockups) The large 12 also compensates for the recessed logo. I'd probably buy one but being a SH21 prices me out of the market. I also wonder if it would be possible to “clear coat” the bronze to maintain the shiny new look?

DHL isn't a patch on DPD in my neck of the woods so that will be a huge step backwards but I can understand them wanting to have one global distributor.

I hate the blemish at 9 but having tried to sell various “old logo” watches, and watching others do the same, on the forum, it seems people don't want them nearly as much as their protests would suggest. The space left at 12 was always more of an issue with me but they seem to be addressing that with the twin flag logo or large applied numerals. They've suggested it may change in the future, the mood board seems to suggest we may get the Trident as a logo? This I'd love to see. Flags for motorsport and Trident for dive?

Thanks again Kip
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@DISJT - "DHL isn't a patch on DPD in my neck of the woods so that will be a huge step backwards but I can understand them wanting to have one global distributor."

Wrong end of the stick, Chris.

DHL is being looked at for International distribution, currently used for Express shipping.

No plan to change DPD / Royal Mail for the UK.

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DISJT wrote: My observations

I'm confused about the financial cost of making a 40mm version of the C60.
All the research and design has already been done on the 38mm and 43mm.
The movement doesn't need to change. It's purely a scaling issue of the case. Seems like a few hours work to upscale/downscale a case by a given percentage and alter the hand length. I'm clearly missing something.
It is not simply adding another case size. You are correct about movement, dial etc. Still a case must be designed and prototypes developed. All time and money. Then you have the fact that a midsize will likely dilute sales from the 38 and 43mm model reducing the potential financial gain. Add to that more inventory options to deal with. CW just does not feel this is worth it for them.

They are happy with the sales volume of the 2 current sizes and have no desire to eliminate the 38, as is does have a large appeal to the female sector and those with smaller wrists. They currently feel that the C65 is a viable option and will be expanding that line up moving forward. The predicted C60 MKIII will be slightly smaller at 42mm, so that may help as well.
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Many thanks for the Summary Kip, much appreciated.
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Thanks for the summary Kip. :clap:
I'm looking forward to the new models, especially C65 SH21.
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Cheers KIP,
I'm still not sure the case needs "designing", the 43mm is identical to the 38mm case except for size. Aren't the case proportions all the same regardless of actual overall size? The new 40mm case can be machined at no extra cost by simply changing the coordinates in the cnc machine by an order of a percentage (ie every measurement on the 38mm gets multiplied by 1.05, this gives you a 39.9mm case and exactly 21mm lugs). It would literally take seconds to change on a computer. (I know I'm oversimplifying it a tad but it wouldn't be a particularly hard, time consuming or expensive process to knock up a batch of 40mm cases. The initial R&D has all already been done, especially given they have both bigger and smaller sizes that prove the concept)

I suspect you are correct about inventory and the dilution of sales being the actual factors. I would certainly stop buying 38mm and buy 40mm instead. I guess its hard to tell how many people DIDN'T settle for a slightly compromised size and went elsewhere to get a perfect fit. The proposed 42mm will certainly make a difference (I have other 42mm's and just about get away with them)

Thanks Guy, I clearly misunderstood, happy DPD will remain. Maybe I should go to bed before 1am! :oops:
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