Stirring it up on WUS

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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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Well said Kip.

You know something. I have read back all of the original "epic" saga. I think what has happened here is that Matvei probably did not set out to be an actual vindictive troll. He has just gone all about it in the totally wrong manner. He actually said a couple of weeks ago that he would update on the story. I guess people just did not expect the update to take so long to arrive. As a result the whole thing became a soap opera in instalments which in the end started to grate with people.

I still think the decision to lock the original thread was the correct one. It HAD run its course and it was time for it to end. Even at that stage though no animosity was shown afterwards to Matvei and he was free to contribute to the forum in other topics. Again though he made another stupid mistake to rehash it all on WUS and it now looks like that thread is starting to turn against him now too. He has just gone about it in the totally wrong way hence the current animosity. If he had left it at that and had not rehashed it on WUS then there never would have been a problem.

The moral of the story is if you have an issue with CWL or anything else for that matter then by all means tell us. Just do not turn it into a long winded soap opera because you can guarantee it will end up biting you in the butt.

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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

Post by village »

Ok.... obviously i started the thread. In retrospect i probably should have let the subject lie.
I think 'bully' is a strong term and i do not think there has been any bullying.....more a passionate (maybe sometimes over passionate) defense of CW in response to a virtual dragging through mud.
I regret using the word troll in respect of Matvei (so i apologise to him for that) but i still don't agree with his methods.
I also think it's pleasing to see the comments for the defense both here and on WUS.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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Thanks for the apology Village.

I am amazed at the vitriol and animosity that has been shown to me. It's like the brunt of the forum turned on me when I expressed my loss of confidence in CW. I am now treated like a pariah here and at WUS by a small contingent of people from here. For what offense? That's not clear to me. I don't think I've ever exaggerated, whined, hammered on or did anything other than gathered info, responded to questions and finally made a comprehensive post of my issues spanning the last 2 years in order to 1) be useful to others 2) get it off my chest.

Those who would like to see my posts about my issues to judge if I am a troll, a big meanie or a whiner can read them here:

Jul 04, 2008
http://www.christopherwardforum.com/vie ... f=1&t=1363

Oct 14, 2009
http://www.christopherwardforum.com/vie ... f=1&t=3181

Oct 17, 2009
http://www.christopherwardforum.com/vie ... f=1&t=3192

I'll let that stand for itself.

I've been really good with CW in my opinion, letting them fix all these issues, sending 2 watches back, one of them 4 four times, without it being ever right, before writing about it in a comprehensive fashion and in more outlets than here.

I think I've been really good about all this. I'm not starting a vendetta, I just want to 1) be useful to others 2) get it off my chest. I think that's fair.

I can understand your disappointment in seeing the CW name being somewhat tarnished. Hell, it feels awful to me too because I wanted this company to succeed and now feel like an idiot for having given them my trust, recommended them to others and still wear one of their watches. That said, my experience is rightfully sucky and I think it's not right for you all to gang up on me like this. If you have a good experience with your watches fine, I'm glad. That's not been my experience and I think I'm entitled to say so.

Do you want this forum to be a circle jerk? Doesn't feel really independent if that's so...

Look at how some people in the 7750 thread are afraid of expressing anything that could be construed as even slightly negative... it's really telling. They've been bullied into following rank. As to the "attack" on my post count, well... I'm a "reader" what can I say. If I don't think I have anything interesting to say, I don't. I've been reading since 2007. You'll find that most members don't post much on forums, doesn't mean they aren't here or a negligible part of the community.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Thanks to all who showed support.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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Terminator 2 wrote:I would hardly say it was vicious or foul but I must add we are all adults here. Maybe I am missing something but I do not know of any 10 year olds who collect watches or even have the money to do so. :
I've read the postings here and on WUS. Thanks to all those that made the suggestion. My comments aren't about the QC issues or the outpouring of empathy. All that I was suggesting was the treatment of a poster was poor.

Calling posters trolls, a waste of space, and drama queens is the very definition of bullying and immaturity. There is nothing adult about it. Resorting to such language might be symptomatic of something as serious as a mental imbalance or something as pedestrian as mere boorish behavior. Maybe it's ignorance -- how else to explain the non sequitur about age and money? Finally, to suggest that someone's dozen plus posting is somehow insignificant when compared to hundreds is something children would say on the playground. 500 postings could be a sign of a productive helpful member of the forum or just someone with a lot of hot air.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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CAA 7273 - for a professed newbie, you seem to have a rather personal interest in this that goes beyond that of a dispassionate and advising onlooker. ‘bullying and immaturity, nothing adult, mental imbalance, boorish behaviour, ignorance, someone with a lot of hot air,’ That all seems to be from someone bubbling away inside...bit similar to Matvei, perhaps...
It's about time that this subject was dropped and we all return to being nice happy people. I, for one, am going to ignore this now and enjoy my watches (Monster on wrist this morning)...UB.. :)
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Post by sonofcantona »

Matvei...... I think you missed the point on the 7750 thread. I had a query not a complaint. I have no negative vibes in me. The answer given to me was honest and made sense and again my watch is great and as advertised.

You are heading the wrong direction with this one I am afraid.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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Matvei wrote:I am amazed at the vitriol and animosity that has been shown to me. It's like the brunt of the forum turned on me when I expressed my loss of confidence in CW. I am now treated like a pariah here and at WUS by a small contingent of people from here. For what offense? That's not clear to me.
Matvei until you posted on WUS there was no animosity shown towards you even after the other thread was locked. Your mistake has been to turn this "issue" into a long drawn out soap opera which in the end ran out of steam and you still do not seem to have accepted the end result of a refund. You had nothing but sympathy in here but you dragged it out too much and rehashing it on WUS was the straw that broke the camel's back for many. If it was not out of sheer vindictivness then I think that it does show an extreme lack of immaturity on your part and now you are recieving the backlash of your actions. We heard your story and we sympathized but it now appears that you seem to be on a crusade against CWL. CWL reacted both to you personaly and rectified the website so you recieved the desired result so why must you keep dragging it on. You have brought this monster on yourself in my opinion.
Uncle Bill wrote: It's about time that this subject was dropped and we all return to being nice happy people.
I agree UB. This has dragged on for far too long and is spoiling the forum for others. That is why Matvei and his story is now grating on everyones nerves.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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As someone fairly new to the forum I am reluctant to comment but I seemed to have noticed that things seem to have become a bit tetchy on the forum and not just this post. Maybe we need to calm down a bit. I think that we all feel that CWL makes great watches and is a really good company to deal with. Consequently, when things do go wrong, which I believe is rarely, our disappointment is that much greater and might lead us to overeact a bit. Those of us who have had no problems maybe get a bit over-defensive in return. But I think the strong views sometimes expressed by both sides stem from the same source - a real wish for CWL to do well. It is very easy to misinterpret intent when reading an e-mail even using emoticons :? Let's not censor our genuine views but we should always remember it is difficult to judge intent in a post.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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Matvei's comments seem perfectly reasonable to me, assuming this all actually happened.
But I'm more interested in a couple of the points raised.

Nut loose. Yup This must be a problem with manufacture - it happened to me too, but I didn't have the time to faff about returning the watch as I was leaving the country for a bit. Perhaps a poll of who has had loose or missing screws on their watches?

Movement switch - What's the story here? My aviator has the lovely decorated 2824 movement, but I too would be sorely disappointed to get a plain sellita without warning.
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Re: Stirring it up on WUS

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I,m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs of this saga as a lot has already been said for and against but i would like to say something about the screw issue.
I did find that i had a screw missing on my C5 Aviator but luckily for me it had worked loose and was laying in the bottom of it's watch box,
I reinserted screw and gave all the other screws a tweak finding that i could get a quarter of a turn or more on all of them.
I then tweaked all the screws on all my CWs and found most would tighten slightly.
Might be a slight issue as the case back beds in against the gasket so i would suggest that if you have a watch repairers screw driver just to check them in case they work loose.
Care should be taken not to over do the tightening though or damage the screw heads.
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