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JAFO wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:44 pm is the underlying idea of a regulator that the user doesn't really need to know the hour - and therefore the large hand shows him exactly what he needs - the minutes past the hour - without any distraction.
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Before we take a look at some regulator watches, let’s first explain what a regulator watch actually is. Back in the day, watchmakers would have a master clock against which all timepieces were set. It had hour and minute hands on different axes, thus allowing the most accurate time readout at any moment and enabling the setting or regulation of any watch in the workshop at any given point. Watchmakers were able to see both hands, giving them an optimal readout of the actual time.

Similar to these watchmaker clocks, a regulator watch also features the hour and minute hand on separate axes and (sub)dials. This way, you can always read the exact time displayed at any given time as the hands will almost never be at the same position (except for 2 times a day at 12 o’clock). Thus, they will hardly ever cover each other unlike regular watches where the hour and minute hands fully cover each other every single hour.
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time_lizard wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:58 pm Hey macdane, you'll find this hesitation with all regulator watches as we are accustomed to read the hours from a centre dial hand.
I hear ya. My perspective is likely colored by a couple of my regulators which do a better job of differentiating the sub-dials, at least I think they do. I'll attach photos below.
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time_lizard wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:58 pm As such the time is not exactly readable for 10 minutes between 55 to 5 and 25 to 35. All I wanted to point out is that CW has taken care of this in their design, which I appreciate :thumbup:
I completely agree that CW has taken the better approach to that issue. And the more I look at it, the more I like it.

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JAFO wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:44 pm is the underlying idea of a regulator that the user doesn't really need to know the hour - and therefore the large hand shows him exactly what he needs - the minutes past the hour - without any distraction.
I think the basic starting point here is to understand that regulator watches haven't really been around very long — maybe 25 years? — but regulator clocks have. My understanding is that those clocks were more for use as a reference in the context of astronomical observations and in clock/watch repair and synchronization than for telling the time of day. So the hour was still important, but users were generally more focused on the minutes.

I just happen to really, really like regulator watches :thumbup:

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Hey macdane, you have really nice regulators in your collection!
I would agree with you that regulator watches are a more recent fad and I would assume they were made to open up a new market niche. Many of them are based on rather simple pocket watch calibers with a tiny modification to have a seperate hour wheel placed somewhere on the dial. The price hike achievable with this minor modification is astonishing.
But, like you, I like this modification a lot.

Apart from this, the regulator watch seems to be around much longer. In September I went to Switzerland to the town of La Chaux-de-Fonds, the heart of the Swiss watch industry. There is the wonderful "International Museum of Horology" where I came across this old specimen of a pocket watch. It is a regulator! But with jumping hour - and - even a jumping minute!

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Sorry, time_lizard, but I should've been more clear that I was referring to wrist watch regulators. Good catch. That pocket watch reminds me of a Chronoswiss Delphis that I had my eye on back in the 1990s but never bought. Apart from the complications involved, the watch was completely unsuitable for me. But holy moly was it a beauty.
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Thanks for the info about regulators. I hadn't looked it up for myself or I would have found it. As they seem to appear in aviation sections, I wrongly assumed it was a watch used by pilots. I assume it's the easy legibility. I guess it's no different to us Terra Firma based watch hounds wearing dive watches, but never taking them swimming (or diving!)
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My first bronze watch.
Steinhart Nav-B pilot watch with black dial arrived yesterday. I absolutely love the tiny, tiny seconds hand busily ticking away :D
I chose the slightly smaller specimen with 42 mm diameter, 12 mm thick and small seconds at "6". That tells it has a savonette caliber, ETA Unitas 6498-1, also beautifully visible. I am now waiting for a handmade heavy vintage strap from mays-berlin.com (takes them 1 month to make) :problem:

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I'm with the first suggestion on this thread... this arrived yesterday from the sale and I love it :D

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If you don't mind quartz and can find one in good condition.. this is a genuine aircrew watch... the Seiko RAF Gen 1... as issued to all RAF pilot and navigator students until 1990 :thumbup:

https://wornandwound.com/review/time-sp ... ronograph/

When the chronograph is running, that 1/10ths sub dial spins so rapidly, it used to be a simple diversion when bored, to try and stop it exactly at zero :lol:

Originally issued with a leather cuff which made it very comfortable and affording a small amount of fire protection.

Shame you had to give them back when you leave :(

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Seeing as this thread has evolved over the last three months into a general Pilot Watch thread, as opposed to recommendations for the OP, I thoought I'd post up my 47mm handwound Parnis 'sterile' B-Uhr Flieger on classic Flieger strap being worn as intended for the design of the strap.


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I have never seen such a strap.
A double-feature, a bit like NATO, not protecting the watch but the buckle. The watch is exposed to bumps and scratches - but always visible and operable (e.g. chronograph) at a glance.
Where do you get those? I could imagine one in brown for my Junghans Meister Pilot Chronograph ...
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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:Seeing as this thread has evolved over the last three months into a general Pilot Watch thread, as opposed to recommendations for the OP, I thoought I'd post up my 47mm handwound Parnis 'sterile' B-Uhr Flieger on classic Flieger strap being worn as intended for the design of the strap.


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Strap closed as sized for my 7.5" wrist; in the photo above I've used two holes longer.


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That’s a sharp watch. The strap is really cool.

Is that more affordable than a Steinhart or Laco pilot?

I was sad to see Steinhart got rid of their affordable titanium pilots. I really like them.
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Robotaz wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:44 pm
Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:Seeing as this thread has evolved over the last three months into a general Pilot Watch thread, as opposed to recommendations for the OP, I thoought I'd post up my 47mm handwound Parnis 'sterile' B-Uhr Flieger on classic Flieger strap being worn as intended for the design of the strap.


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Strap closed as sized for my 7.5" wrist; in the photo above I've used two holes longer.


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That’s a sharp watch. The strap is really cool.

Is that more affordable than a Steinhart or Laco pilot?

I was sad to see Steinhart got rid of their affordable titanium pilots. I really like them.
A search for "Parnis 'sterile' B-Uhr Flieger" will turn up many such watches which are commonly available on eBay.
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time_lizard wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:01 pm I have never seen such a strap.
A double-feature, a bit like NATO, not protecting the watch but the buckle. The watch is exposed to bumps and scratches - but always visible and operable (e.g. chronograph) at a glance.
Where do you get those? I could imagine one in brown for my Junghans Meister Pilot Chronograph ...
Its a Fluco (German brand) Aviator that I bought from ukwatchstrap.co.uk.

I thought it might be available from Watch Band Centre but they don't seem to stock it currently.

Alternatively, they are available from Laco


Also, as I know you are a fan of Regulator Watches, you might like to see a couple of pics of my C8 Regulator LE


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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote:
time_lizard wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:01 pm I have never seen such a strap.
A double-feature, a bit like NATO, not protecting the watch but the buckle. The watch is exposed to bumps and scratches - but always visible and operable (e.g. chronograph) at a glance.
Where do you get those? I could imagine one in brown for my Junghans Meister Pilot Chronograph ...
Its a Fluco (German brand) Aviator that I bought from ukwatchstrap.co.uk.

I thought it might be available from Watch Band Centre but they don't seem to stock it currently.

Alternatively, they are available from Laco


Also, as I know you are a fan of Regulator Watches, you might like to see a couple of pics of my C8 Regulator LE


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That’s probably my favorite Regulator ever, and I’ve seen many and owned a few. That’s an awesome watch. I’m upset that C8 line of aviation watches is gone. I see CW going away from those and towards homage divers, which I’ve seen brands do before and it doesn’t turn out well typically.
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