Peregrine prototype discussion

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Peregrine prototype discussion

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hm, think i like it. nice alternative for a monster. hope this one is an automatic again. (winder will do, but i prefer an automatic)

/edit: just saw the topic title, i think i see a bit more than just two :P
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I quite like it, but there are some things i don't like though.
First I'd like to see bigger pushers; the ones that are on it now are just too small.
Second I don't like the red accents. Skip the red and just keep it silvery.
I'd also like to see a glass back if it's an atomatic watch.
What I really do like is the double buckle. That looks awsome!
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Things i don't like:
-why does it have a steel back and not a glass back? It is an automatic right? let me see that back then. If it would add to the price i would be willing to pay the extra. The malvern has such a nice glass back, having a closed back is like losing 50% of the watch.

-the date seems hard to read.

-what is that red hand for, and what kind of work is in it, is it an ETA 2824 again?

The rest of the watch is very original, i love the rest.
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Overall, I think it is handsome. Here is what I don't care for or would like to see changed, as well as what I like.

1. I don't like the strap. I much prefer the strap on the Malvern. The Malvern strap just seems richer and more elegant. Granted, this strap looks more sporty and may match the personality of the watch better. But it isn't my taste.

2. I assume it's a quartz movement. Would greatly prefer it to be automatic/mechanical. I can't see me buying it if its quartz, as I already have plenty of them. If it isn't quartz, it needs an exhibition back. No one should be making a mechanical movement without an exhibition back these days, IMHO. You might as well buy a quartz if that is the case.

3. I would sure like to see something blued...hands, numerals, something.

4. Overall, I think it is very handsome though. I like the decorated end of the second hand. I like the way the crown recesses into the crown protector. Here's a thought...why don't the pushers ever get protectors? Do we really have to have access to the entire pusher and its stem? How about recess the pushers into the case the same way as the crown? I can't recall seeing a chronograph do that. Seems unique.

5. Someone else mentioned the date is hard to read. I think that is mostly because in these shots, the hands are in the way. But, it would be nice if the date window was slightly larger in diameter. On my Malvern, at some angles, the date is cramped by the date aperture's lower ring.

For me, I can't see me buying this if its quartz. But, if he could get a Valjoux 7750 in there and keep the price under $500 US, I could definitely see me getting one. And, that seems possible. I saw Valjoux 7750's selling for $350 US retail (I believe it was...it was close to that). If you consider the cost of the Malvern versus its movement cost, I am guessing he can make and sell that watch for probably about $100 US over the cost of the movement. If I add that $100 to the Valjoux movement, that prices the watch at about $450 US. Considering the case and dial are going to be a little more expensive for this one, a $500 US price seems feasible.
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joerattz wrote:
No one should be making a mechanical movement without an exhibition back these days, IMHO.
iwc? pannerai? jlc? :o
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schulten wrote:
joerattz wrote:
No one should be making a mechanical movement without an exhibition back these days, IMHO.
iwc? pannerai? jlc? :o
I stand by my statement. Why pay more for a less accurate mechanical watch versus a less expensive more accurate quartz? Every realistic answer I have seen (barring those that are merely seeking status or exclusivity) have to do with the beauty and artistry of the movement. If I can't see it, why pay for it? I don't have the goal of providing a nice living for Swiss watch company owners and their employees. When you pay the kind of money for those caliber of watches and they don't have an exhibition back, it's like buying a Picasso and sticking it in a locked closet.
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joerattz you are completely right. I share the same opinion.
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Post by Geert T. »

Ugly if you ask me.

Why the watch doesn't have a see thrue back: would you like to see the "beauty" of a quartz movement...?
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Geert T. wrote:Ugly if you ask me.

Why the watch doesn't have a see thrue back: would you like to see the "beauty" of a quartz movement...?
Are there any particular characteristics that you think make it ugly?
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I don't think I'm in the target market for this one so take these comments for what they are worth. I think the Malvern Chrono worked very well as a design - clean, functional and elegant but with a stylishness maybe reminiscent of the auto industry. This watch has a few 'aviator' type design cues - the Spitfire type markers, vintage style chrono pushers, fairly narrow bezel and bulky crown guard suggest pilot type watches from the past and present to me.

What bothers me is the cluttered dial layout. There is too much competing for attention. The date aperture is maybe too prominent and the missing marker at 4 could be replaced. I'm not sure if the minute subdivisions serve any purpose; I guess it depends how the chrono second hand works. I would be tempted to get rid of them. I'm not a fan of doodads on the ends of second hands and the falcon jars with me. I wonder if smaller numerals at 3 and 9 would reduce the clutter a bit - guess the balance is the real question here. I realise that a lot of the space is taken up by the subdial layout of this particular quartz movement but a slightly simpler look would work better IMHO.

Now for the praise:

The dial detail shots look tremendous and the actual applied markers look great close up. The subdials and small hands are all good - the engraving looks great. The larger hands work well - a tad longer for the second hand? It is just great seeing a proper surround on the bezel dot - this is a huge tick. The case shape looks great and the vintage style pushers work for me.

As I look back on the watch it is growing on me much more than at first. The watch looks solid and sporty.

As I said, I'm not really the target for watches like this - chronos that appeal to me are more like the Sinn 356 or Omega De Ville chrono - ie fewer bells and whistles and generally no rotating bezel. Mine is probably the minority taste.

I hope it helps to have the comments above.
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Post by El Tiempo »

All, it looks as though this is the same rhonda 5040D movement the current chrono has. So no auto this time out.

I agree with Dave in that the dial is a bit busy. I think one type of marker would be better. I like the 12 marker though. Since there are luminous dots, the shorter non luminous would be fine. I'd also prefer just numbers or markers.

I don't mind the red hand and I think I like the hawk second hand.

While I'm a fan of all things luminous, the main hands just aren't doing it for me. I think they look a little plain.

I'm fine with the push buttons as long as they're not getting pushed when I bend my wrist.

Like Warhol, I like the double buckle strap.
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joerattz wrote:
schulten wrote:
joerattz wrote:
No one should be making a mechanical movement without an exhibition back these days, IMHO.
iwc? pannerai? jlc? :o
I stand by my statement. Why pay more for a less accurate mechanical watch versus a less expensive more accurate quartz? Every realistic answer I have seen (barring those that are merely seeking status or exclusivity) have to do with the beauty and artistry of the movement. If I can't see it, why pay for it? I don't have the goal of providing a nice living for Swiss watch company owners and their employees. When you pay the kind of money for those caliber of watches and they don't have an exhibition back, it's like buying a Picasso and sticking it in a locked closet.
Sounds rational, but I have to disagree. I really love Rolex for example, especially the sub and GMT, and as you know, Rolex doesn't use display backs. So they could decide to place quartz-movements in them, nobody would know, right? Only thing you would notice is that the watches would be suddenly extremely well withing COSC-standards... Well, for me, and a few other people I guess, this wouldn't work... It might me strange, but I don't have to see a mechanical movement to enjoy it...
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Post by DavidM1 »

My first mechanicals were vintage and so no display backs there. I quite enjoy knowing a good movement is working away even if I can't see it. I think a display back is a plus if there has been a bit of finishing - gold plating and blued screws for example :wink:

If I couldn't hear a watch ticking I'd really miss it.
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Post by Hans »

I posted some pics of the black version, and separated the discussion from the photo-threads. The pictures of the Peregrine can be found in the 'Reviews and Articles' part of the forum
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Post by Hans »

My feelings about the Peregrine (sofar I prefer the black version):

What I like:

- the size (42 mm). the watch looks sturdy, and so it should be sturdy!
- the strap. really compliments the sturdy look of the case.
- the bezel. I like the 15-minute markers and it looks clean, not to busy

What I like somewhat less:

- quartz, I prefer mechanical
- the counter-part of the second-hand, I find this a bit distracting
- the date-indicator. looks like the malvern, but now it looks so small and a bit deep (sunken)
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