This is starting to feel like a scheme to get me to buy another Sealander before the trident counterbalance disappears! Clever.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 9:41 am I wouldn’t want to be a fun sponge here but, as someone pointed out above, steps need to be small and gentle. This watch has only been around for four years, so I would question how much of a facelift it really needs. This and the Trident could be stepping stones to greater model longevity, which is something a few of us have talked about for a few years now. For my own purposes the GMT is practically perfect, and I wouldn’t change anything, except perhaps Drew’s idea of a true GMT. I’m not sure where a movement for that might come from, because I don’t think Sellita produce one.

I don’t have a three hand watch from this range, but I think the introduction of a slimmer COSC movement would be a good thing.

Bottom line though, beware of fixing what ain’t broke.

I agree 100% with the emphasized bits. Clearly, a lot of us are thinking evolution, not revolution. But as I hinted at earlier, does CW’s label of NPD suggest they’re working on a ground up revamp of the model?

Honestly, i can’t think of what that might look like. Perhaps rather than the current Sealander being replaced with a new Sealander, we might see an additional model introduced along of the lines of the Trident 300 joining the line up to sit alongside the Trident 600?

In terms of feature set, I’d love to see a small seconds return to the lineup. I’m not convinced, though, that a Sealander is the right platform for that.

^^^ A lot of us are saying the same thing, but I feel like the company’s MO has been Revolution rather than evolution. They want to be groundbreaking. And I’m not sure the company is strong enough sales-wise yet to have a model rest on its laurels?

Kip wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 11:22 am Back in 2021, CW came to us for input on what we thought would be Trident 4 (NPD T4)… thanks to your invaluable feedback, those early ideas evolved into the Trident Pro 300 – now the best-selling Trident to date. Needless to say, CW was extremely happy and appreciative of our input on that project. That experiment was a great success!

Kip, do you know if, regarding NPD T4, the plan had always been an additional model to sit along side the 600? Or had NPD T4 initially been about a refresh of the Trident 600 that for some reason then morphed into a new, separate model? Is the Trident Pro 300 the Trident 4 or was Trident 4 abandoned for the 300?

Do my questions make any sense at all?

ajax87 wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 3:08 pm ^^^ A lot of us are saying the same thing, but I feel like the company’s MO has been Revolution rather than evolution. They want to be groundbreaking. And I’m not sure the company is strong enough sales-wise yet to have a model rest on its laurels?

They're in the middle of the road, and can't afford to stand still or they'll get run over!

https://www.t3.com/luxury/watches/chris ... e-c12-loco

Macdaz wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:08 pm It's possibly too small a thing and a personal preference, but I'd lose the Trident on the seconds hand counterbalance.

Maybe not as small and personal as I thought!

All that said as @Amor Vincit Omnia mentioned above, there is not a lot currently wrong with it. I have a three hand (my expedition watch) and GMT (Silver wedding anniversary present) and they are both pretty much perfect. (Except for that counterbalance )

Maybe a new Sealander model with the new in-house caliber CW-003?

I asked AI to help out, and I know it’s not very accurate and the color isn’t to everyone’s taste…

I think the design language for the sealander is fine. I would add a 41mm Sealander and perhaps a refresh of the sealander Elite ( updated titanium strap and other color ways).

jkbarnes wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 3:16 pm

Kip wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 11:22 am Back in 2021, CW came to us for input on what we thought would be Trident 4 (NPD T4)… thanks to your invaluable feedback, those early ideas evolved into the Trident Pro 300 – now the best-selling Trident to date. Needless to say, CW was extremely happy and appreciative of our input on that project. That experiment was a great success!

Kip, do you know if, regarding NPD T4, the plan had always been an additional model to sit along side the 600? Or had NPD T4 initially been about a refresh of the Trident 600 that for some reason then morphed into a new, separate model? Is the Trident Pro 300 the Trident 4 or was Trident 4 abandoned for the 300?

Do my questions make any sense at all?

The intent was as originally stated, to develop the T4. The input proved to make so much sense to CW that it was decided to go with the a new model, the Trident Pro 300. These were to be sold alongside the Trident Pro 600. The result was that the 300 was so successful, that to continue with the 600 made no sense at the time. The T4 has been shelved for the time being.

My personal opinion is that the Trident Pro 600 will eventually show as an upper tier model.

Kip wrote: ↑Sun May 04, 2025 10:53 am The intent was as originally stated, to develop the T4. The input proved to make so much sense to CW that it was decided to go with the a new model, the Trident Pro 300. These were to be sold alongside the Trident Pro 600. The result was that the 300 was so successful, that to continue with the 600 made no sense at the time. The T4 has been shelved for the time being.

Thanks Kip! That’s impressive that CW would transition the project like that based on forum feedback.

I think the sealander is excellent as is. I would only want 2.o to be a flyer gmt and chronometer certified. More colors would be excellent, but not a huge deal for me.

Another thought from me is that it would be nice to have a mechanical chronograph in the Sealander range.

Thinking more about this for the sealander elite - an internal rotating diving bezel, titanium, updated bracelet, with two recessed crowns. Possibly two versions, 42 and 40mm, updated cos certified sw300 or higher. Add a metalic silver color way with blue accents in addition to the black with orange accents, more lume . Keep trident counter balance.

And for a land version of the above elite - internal rotating compass bezel (like Seiko Alpinist), titanium + bracelet, recessed crowns, COSC, green themed, remove trident?

At the risk of sounding philosophical, what is a C63 Sealander? The answer to this may help me identify what could be improved, instead of just buying another model variant which has those missing elements already.

There is no need to increase the WR as 150m is enough. An improved movement and longer power reserve would mean a step up in cost.

Is it a C60 trident without a bezel? The Sealander GMT has a bezel like the trident GMT but doesn’t turn. The indices are the same as the C60 Trident. Some of the C60 and C63 models look very similar and have the trident second hand. Although the case sizes differ.

C60 dive has it's own look, so does the C65 as do other named models.

So, there are 2 options I would prefer:

• Virtually no change - A C60 trident look with no bezel and a design generally as is. 39/40mm case size and a smaller case option of 37/38 for those that prefer. Range of standard and colourful dial options (as exists now). Lumed date window to compliment the tiny applied marker at 6 just for a laugh and ultimate symmetry in low light for 30 minutes! Or get rid of the date as it interrupts more fancy dial finishes if developed later.

• Create a unique Sealander. 39/40mm case size. No trident hand. Unique indices like other models have as an identifier by introducing 3,6,9 etc. No date. It will make a simple dial more interesting. A 3,6,9 dial may struggle to pair with more adventurous dial finishes though.