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The new moonphase watch is beautiful aesthetically, seems terrifically engineered but I was expecting something different.

To me, it is another over the top moonphase watch that may make people wonder "man you really like space". I would really really love to see a subtle classy moonphase like Patek, Longines, Breitling or Tissot have. To me this is just another over the top moonphase that is closer to a party trick than a daily wear. Seems that box has already been checked.

That said, it is a very beautiful watch, I know I would adore it the twice a month I would want to wear it.

Maybe I am being too critical but I do feel CW is leaving a lot on the table not having a classy yet subtle Sealander moonphase.
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Well that seems to be the consensus over here general-discussion/new-moon-phase-watch-t62145.html
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BrandonT wrote:The new moonphase watch is beautiful aesthetically, seems terrifically engineered but I was expecting something different.

To me, it is another over the top moonphase watch that may make people wonder "man you really like space". I would really really love to see a subtle classy moonphase like Patek, Longines, Breitling or Tissot have. To me this is just another over the top moonphase that is closer to a party trick than a daily wear. Seems that box has already been checked.

That said, it is a very beautiful watch, I know I would adore it the twice a month I would want to wear it.

Maybe I am being too critical but I do feel CW is leaving a lot on the table not having a classy yet subtle Sealander moonphase.
I think a subtle moonphase was never realistically on the cards because the JJ04 movement is setup for a big moonphase wheel.

I’m not sure it makes good business sense to release a moonphase with an off the shelf standard Sellita when you have already done the work to create an exclusive movement that lets you make something nobody else can right now.
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I actually like the C1 moonglow, with the greyed out opposite moon. I quite like the idea of displaying the workings.

For a fraction of the price, this Sugess Moonphase (I bought one last Christmas) has what they call a bluestone dial, also full of sparkly highlights. Here's an example on eBay, although it's available for even less on AliX. I enjoy mine although it's not as spectacular as the CW versions. They seem to have a bracelet version now.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353680914487 ... media=COPY
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JAFO wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:58 pm I actually like the C1 moonglow, with the greyed out opposite moon. I quite like the idea of displaying the workings.

For a fraction of the price, this Sugess Moonphase (I bought one last Christmas) has what they call a bluestone dial, also full of sparkly highlights. Here's an example on eBay, although it's available for even less on AliX. I enjoy mine although it's not as spectacular as the CW versions. They seem to have a bracelet version now.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353680914487 ... media=COPY
Those Moonphase watches are actually about half off brand new on the Sugess website right now
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BrandonT wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:49 pm . . . . . .

Maybe I am being too critical but I do feel CW is leaving a lot on the table not having a classy yet subtle Sealander moonphase.
Sorry to disappoint you, but . . . .

Listening to Mike France on the Forum Zoom preview on Tuesday and at the Royal Observatory launch last night, CW will be leaving your desired C63 Sealander Moonphase on the table for an awfully long time.

A small, sub-dial moonphase that clicks forward on a daily basis, like the majority of Moonphases available, is not for CW; especially when they have the rather marvellous JJ04 perpetual moonphase complication to work with.

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So, does this watch need to live on a winder? I should think that resetting it would be rather a pain in the derriere...
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FloridaPhil wrote:So, does this watch need to live on a winder? I should think that resetting it would be rather a pain in the derriere...
It seems easy to correct because it appears to be done by the crown vs a pusher, didn't see a button anywhere in the pics but could be mistaken. My Frederique Constant is a pain because of the little pusher for the moon phase. If the PR runs out I just run the hands around to set it vs the pushers because I already had it lined up with the phase.

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^^^^ @Dynamite_Kid19

Adjustment of the Moonphase is done by the Crown in position 2.

Extract from the Owners Handbook (actually from the C1 Moonglow, but the C1 Moonphase will be the same).

"Setting the moon phase is relatively simple. For perfect synchronization, you will need the date of the last full or new moon. To adjust the moon phase pull gently into position 2. Turn in an anti-clockwise direction to rotate the moonphase disk into the desired position. Rapid correction of the moonphase is possible at any time without risk of damaging the mechanism."

Remember, the movement used is a JJ04 modification of the SW220, which is a day / date movement.

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In addition to what @Bahnstormer_vRS said above regarding the possibility (or impossibility) of a more subtle moonphase, I just ran across an article on Esquire in which Mike France himself is quoted as follows:

“The most asked-for complication was the moonphase. What we wanted to do was celebrate that magnificent celestial being in all of its glory. And so none of this ‘small aperture at 6 o’clock' nonsense for us. We wanted a huge moonphase."

https://www.esquire.com/uk/watches/a456 ... ase-watch/

I bolded the important bit :lol:

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BrandonT wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:49 pm I would really really love to see a subtle classy moonphase like Patek, Longines, Breitling or Tissot have.
I’ve been wandering through the world of moonphases for years. Aside from a date it’s my favourite complication. There are plenty of them around, whether in triple-date-moonphase mode, speedy moonphase (there’s a treat of an idea) or subtle classy Longines etc. All of them with subtle (read tiny) classic good looks. What I’ve looked for over the years is how you build a moonphase with contemporary good looks. An update on the traditional ideas. The first moonphase I found that really floated my boat was the old Ball Ohio moonphase with the large moon aperture set at an angle across the dial and built into a rugged tank of a watch rather than a dress watch.
If I wear a moonphase I want to wear it often so that I can actually take part in following the phases of the moon. This is probably why I haven’t quite bought the Moonglow yet - I have to be certain that I’m ready for it to take over watch duty on my wrist almost completely.

Contemporary moonphases are an interesting place to be, as companies reach beyond the subtle classy traditional style and experiment with big moons (I love it) or even brand new ways of representing the moon’s cycle. Zelos for big moon in a tough as nails hardened SS case. Arnold and sons if you want big moons haute horology. Ming for representing the phase of the moon in a different way. Or SUF Helsinki for a field watch moonphase with a smiley representation of the moon’s journey, little brother to Stepan Sarpaneva’s art-moons.

I’d say there are more than enough subtle classy moonphases to choose from :D
There’s way more of interest going on in the way some companies are now exploring the idea afresh.

I’m so glad the Moonglow isn’t going to be discontinued - what a really strong pair of very different contemporary moonphases. I’m also very intrigued by a case upgrade for the moonglow- or even a swap with the new moonphase!

I’m inching closer to the Moonglow :D :thumbup:
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ajax87 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:57 am In addition to what @Bahnstormer_vRS said above regarding the possibility (or impossibility) of a more subtle moonphase, I just ran across an article on Esquire in which Mike France himself is quoted as follows:

“The most asked-for complication was the moonphase. What we wanted to do was celebrate that magnificent celestial being in all of its glory. And so none of this ‘small aperture at 6 o’clock' nonsense for us. We wanted a huge moonphase."

https://www.esquire.com/uk/watches/a456 ... ase-watch/

I bolded the important bit :lol:

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Do you think it is possible to have a subtle moonphase complication in the future?
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missF wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:03 am
BrandonT wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:49 pm I would really really love to see a subtle classy moonphase like Patek, Longines, Breitling or Tissot have.
I’ve been wandering through the world of moonphases for years. Aside from a date it’s my favourite complication. There are plenty of them around, whether in triple-date-moonphase mode, speedy moonphase (there’s a treat of an idea) or subtle classy Longines etc. All of them with subtle (read tiny) classic good looks. What I’ve looked for over the years is how you build a moonphase with contemporary good looks. An update on the traditional ideas. The first moonphase I found that really floated my boat was the old Ball Ohio moonphase with the large moon aperture set at an angle across the dial and built into a rugged tank of a watch rather than a dress watch.
If I wear a moonphase I want to wear it often so that I can actually take part in following the phases of the moon. This is probably why I haven’t quite bought the Moonglow yet - I have to be certain that I’m ready for it to take over watch duty on my wrist almost completely.

Contemporary moonphases are an interesting place to be, as companies reach beyond the subtle classy traditional style and experiment with big moons (I love it) or even brand new ways of representing the moon’s cycle. Zelos for big moon in a tough as nails hardened SS case. Arnold and sons if you want big moons haute horology. Ming for representing the phase of the moon in a different way. Or SUF Helsinki for a field watch moonphase with a smiley representation of the moon’s journey, little brother to Stepan Sarpaneva’s art-moons.

I’d say there are more than enough subtle classy moonphases to choose from :D
There’s way more of interest going on in the way some companies are now exploring the idea afresh.

I’m so glad the Moonglow isn’t going to be discontinued - what a really strong pair of very different contemporary moonphases. I’m also very intrigued by a case upgrade for the moonglow- or even a swap with the new moonphase!

I’m inching closer to the Moonglow :D :thumbup:

You need to hang tough, Lindsey. I like your post by the way, a very considered piece of writing. You really have been looking at moonphases a lot. Somewhere down the line Sudio underd0g is going to come up with their own interpretation, and you just know that'll shake the whole genre up.

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strapline wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:16 am You need to hang tough, Lindsey.
Well, you know how impulsive I am about watch decisions! :lol: But the moonphase thing is definitely a non-impulsive decision for me. Thankfully the Moonglow isn’t off the books. I think that finding the right moonphase is worth the patience :thumbup:
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FloridaPhil wrote:So, does this watch need to live on a winder? I should think that resetting it would be rather a pain in the derriere...
From my experience, you just look up the date of the last full moon, set the moon to full, and advance the moon forward for each day since. Pretty painless especially since there's no date to fool with on this one.
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