New C60 Tridents launched and now on Websites

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Blue bezel on a white dial would probably be enough for me to get over the non-contrasting hands on the white dial watches. Perhaps they'll offer up some new color combos further down the road.
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I have since realised the price of the SH21 models! :shock:

nearly £1700?

Now, I am a luddite when it comes to manufacturing but, if Selitta can produce the SW's at a very reasonable price and supply them to brands all over the world for not much then why is this costing so much? CW are throwing the value message out of the window there.

Take out the COSC price (say £300) and it's still £1400 quid ish. Now the C60 "MKII" is a nice watch and a huge improvement on it's predecessor, but a 3-4 times mark up? This is not new technology, despite the marketing blurb.

i was hopeful, that the SH21 would be offered to the market at a reasonable price. At the same time i feared this would happen.

If it were manufactured and made in Britain, maybe i would shell out for the in house movement, but it isn't, so i wont. CW, IMHO, do not have the heritage to command this price yet, or am i missing something?

Such a shame, a great relaunch marred.... i still like the watch though.

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I have held off commenting whilst I have a wee thinky poos and I do certainly think that there has been an improvement.

I know that everyone is saying that this model has now moved the trident away from any other designs, but....

When I first saw it, my first thoughts were that it now looks like a Planet Ocean with a SM dial and Supermarine hands. I must admit that I still feel that.

I shall still pick up a GMT on my visit however!

With regards to the other comment about vfm, I do feel that the COSC at 1500 quid is still value for money when you take into account the inhouse movement, ceramic bezel amd high WR.
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I think if you compare this to the C9 5 day and take into consideration the case advantages of the C60 Pro 600 COSC, it looks pretty good.
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And the really good thing is that you have a choice of either ponying up for the COSC version, albeit in limited colours at the moment, or you can have one with an everyday movement in it.
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To be fair to CWL, the four years of R&D costs for the SH21 need to be paid for somehow. Sellita and ETA don't have that issue with their generic movements, just marginal costs of production, which are lower because they make gazillions of them every year.

The fact that the COSC C60 is £800 cheaper than a Tudor BBR, yet has an in-house COSC movement, ceramic bezel and 600m WR (rather than 200m) must at least hint at the fact that it's reasonable value for money in comparison to the BBR. I know the BBR is better made, with better materials and tolerances, has a better bracelet etc, but its feature-set is lower than the C60 COSC. Which is better value for money is a personal decision, but the C60 COSC must certainly be reasonable VFM at least.
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As someone who picked up a C60 in the 'clearance sale' after umming and ahhing for a long while, I think I'm pretty happy.

I always wanted an orange one, which means I'd have to buy quartz now, which I wouldn't for myself and, like a couple of others I liked the round markers (derivative they may have been, but the new ones look, to my eye, a little ordinary, a bit the way so many company logos these days are 'corporate blue on white').

The new bezels (albeit missing the iconic orange!) are a good step forward and I know the date window will please many, although it's not a biggie for me.

Overall, I think they've made sensible steps forward, but I'm certainly happy to have bitten the bullet and bought a C60 in orange in the sale :)

Only thing (other than the lack of orange, did I mention that? :D) I don't really like much is the obvious 'Black Bay alike' look of the red one. If you're going to try and remove references to other watches, why so obviously ape another?

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Interesting comments Snowman regarding the red being a 'Black Bay Red a like'.

I can't speak for whoever decided that a red bezel would be a good idea and whether they were trying to create a homage, but I don't think they were. Where are the gold hands for starters?

The C60 is as different in look and feel to a BBR as it is to a Tissot Seastar Powermatic 80, which can also be had with a ceramic red bezel.

Breitling have a Superocean Heritage with black dial and dark blue bezel, but that doesn't stand accused of apeing the BB Blue?

I think it's more accurate to say that coloured bezels are making a bit of a comeback across all sorts of watches. Whether they are following a 'trend' set by the BBR (although the aforementioned Breitling SOH's in various colours pre date the BB's) I don't know. Heck, even CW have been doing funky colours on the C60 for years, and there was the JAG red of course which a lot of folk liked and it was mentioned it would look good with a black dial.

But, I think the Red CW stands on its own well enough to be judged on its own merit.
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If you are going to liken the new C60 with the Tudor Heritage Black Bay do consider the following dissimilarities as well:

1. Different case sizes. Tudor 41mm as opposed to CWs 42mm and 38mm.
2. Different colours of maroon/burgundy.
3. Different 5 minute markers. Tudor has the triangle at 12, batons at 3, 6 and 9 with blobs elsewhere. CW has single batons, double at 12 and shortened at 3.
4. Different hands. Tudor has the snowflake, CW has the tear drop.
5. Tudor does not have a date but the CW does.
6. Different crowns. Tudor does not have a crown guard. CW has a crown guard.
7. Different bezel inserts. Tudor is aluminium. CW is ceramic.
8. Different bezels.
9. Tudor uses a decorated ETA 2824. CW uses either an undecorated ETA2824-2 as well as the Sellita SW200-1
10. Different case shape.

Both the Tudor Heritage Black Bay and the new CW Trident Pro 600 are excellent watches but totally different.

I hadn't seen Tooks' post before drafting this.

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Of course there are differences and it's not identical, but it's clearly a 'nod' to the BB, the way the old orange one was a 'nod' to the Planet Ocean.

You can't ignore the shade of red in the new bezel any more than you could the orange of the old.

>> Breitling have a Superocean Heritage with black dial and dark blue bezel, but that doesn't stand accused of apeing the BB Blue?

Indeed, the sensible accusation would be that the BB blue apes the Breitling!

Anyway, it really matters not a jot if either or both of us like it, I just found it odd as (like it or not) a common criticism from wider audiences was that the C60 was a "PO wannabe" because there was an orange bezeled one (which CW have chosen not to offer on the new C60s).

The similarity in shade of the bezel to the BB (which is fairly distinctive to that - an old design of course) is inescapable.

ETA - FWIW, I've just seen Took's thread and it looks more distinctive in his photographs than on CW's own photoshopped to death images (Why do so many watch firms produce images of their watches that look like illustrations rather than photos?).

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personally i think it's a little ridiculous to claim that any watch with a deep red bezel and a black face is mimicking the BBR. that means any watch with a black face and black bezel is mimicking the submariner, even if none of the other features are the same. and the BBR is not exactly the first watch with a deep red bezel and a black face.

i'm totally willing to call out homages, but i think that's a stretch. a simple color pattern in and of itself is not enough to say a watch is "aping" another one. not with that many differences.
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Trident design should have always been this one. Maybe the circle instead of long indices but the date should have always been at 3'OClock. I can't believe they launched the original model with a date which is neither at 4 or 5, somewhere in between.
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gwells wrote:personally i think it's a little ridiculous to claim that any watch with a deep red bezel and a black face is mimicking the BBR. that means any watch with a black face and black bezel is mimicking the submariner, even if none of the other features are the same. and the BBR is not exactly the first watch with a deep red bezel and a black face.

i'm totally willing to call out homages, but i think that's a stretch. a simple color pattern in and of itself is not enough to say a watch is "aping" another one. not with that many differences.
But people do and will.

The previous C60 was always accused of being a PO wannabe because of the orange bezel variant. CW dropped that (seemingly popular) combo on the auto C60 Mk2s (maybe it's as simple as it being hard to do in Ceramic?), but introduced a very BB looking red, which is going to make people THINK of the BB even if, as you correctly say, there are (and were with the PO) dozens of differences if you bother looking.

Anyway, it's irrelevant really. I think the red invites BB comparisions, but who cares? It'll probably sell well to people who think it does and doesn't as the orange did!

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people do and will do all kinds of stupid things. i don't agree with them when i think those things are stupid. hell, i may even point out that i think the observations are foolish.
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snowman wrote:
gwells wrote:personally i think it's a little ridiculous to claim that any watch with a deep red bezel and a black face is mimicking the BBR. that means any watch with a black face and black bezel is mimicking the submariner, even if none of the other features are the same. and the BBR is not exactly the first watch with a deep red bezel and a black face.

i'm totally willing to call out homages, but i think that's a stretch. a simple color pattern in and of itself is not enough to say a watch is "aping" another one. not with that many differences.
But people do and will.

The previous C60 was always accused of being a PO wannabe because of the orange bezel variant. CW dropped that (seemingly popular) combo on the auto C60 Mk2s (maybe it's as simple as it being hard to do in Ceramic?), but introduced a very BB looking red, which is going to make people THINK of the BB even if, as you correctly say, there are (and were with the PO) dozens of differences if you bother looking.

Anyway, it's irrelevant really. I think the red invites BB comparisions, but who cares? It'll probably sell well to people who think it does and doesn't as the orange did!

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To me, the new one is far more of an homage to the PO with the batons than the old one with the circular indeces. (Ignoring the SM dial and the Supermarine hands ;):P )

I must also admit that I do not think that the shade of red for the new bezel colour was chosen by accident!