HAYQ wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:13 pm I noticed that both this watch and the Bel Canto share the same C1 case. Does this mean we might see a 37mm version of the Bel Canto in the future? That would be intriguing!

Additionally, I’m curious why, when updating models with the SW300 movement, they don't consider updating the movement itself as well.

I do really like this watch, especially for the aventurine dial—though honestly, I could do without the moon complication. Just for the aventurine, though, I think this watch looks very similar to one that costs a quarter of the price: https://www.venezianico.com/products/re ... na-1221550

To my eye, the aventurine on that Venezianico watch does not look as detailed compared to the CW Moonphase.

^^^^ I'm inclined to agree with @Templeton.

The density of copper particles in the Aventurine used by Venezianico in their Redentore, is not as dense as in the Aventurine used by CW in their C63 Celeste, a like for like comparison, and the C1 Moonphase.

Venezianico has a useful 'wrist roll' video that I've used to compare with my own C1 Moonphase (40.5mm version).

Guy

I believe Venezianico is a better comparison primarily because of the design. If you remove the moon element from the Moonphase, its overall aesthetic feels much closer to Venezianico’s watch than to their own Celeste. The Celeste has hour markers and a busier design by comparison.

One common criticism I’ve seen about the Moonphase is the "Swiss Made" text at the bottom, which detracts from its minimalistic look. Venezianico avoids this entirely, offering a super clean and minimalist appearance.

Regarding the aventurine, it’s really a material you need to see in person to fully appreciate. I haven’t had the chance to see these watches in person, so I can’t say if one has more sparkle than the other. But could it be that paying four times more influences how much sparkle you think you see?

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:34 am ^^^^ I'm inclined to agree with @Templeton.

The density of copper particles in the Aventurine used by Venezianico in their Redentore, is not as dense as in the Aventurine used by CW in their C63 Celeste, a like for like comparison, and the C1 Moonphase.

Venezianico has a useful 'wrist roll' video that I've used to compare with my own C1 Moonphase (40.5mm version).

Guy

I just received the Venezianico Redentore Avventurina, and while I’m impressed with the overall look and feel of the watch, I find myself a bit underwhelmed by the dial.

The watch itself exceeded my expectations in terms of quality and design—it looks great on the wrist. However, the aventurine dial is far more subtle than I had hoped. I was expecting something that would shine and sparkle noticeably in any lighting condition, even from a distance, but that’s not the case. The sparkle only really comes to life under strong, direct lighting, and in normal conditions, it appears more subdued than I’d like.

It’s still a fantastic watch for the price, but now I’m wondering: is this typical for aventurine dials? Or is the effect on Christopher Ward’s aventurine pieces (like the Moonphase) more pronounced? It would be great if there were a video or side-by-side comparison showing aventurine dials from different brands to really see how they stack up.

^^^^ Sorry to hear the Venezianico Redentore doesn't meet up with your expectations.

My view is in the post you've quoted.

As for a side by side comparison? Youtube somewhere or are you able to get to a CW Showroom or Event?

Guy

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:19 am ^^^^ Sorry to hear the Venezianico Redentore doesn't meet up with your expectations.

My view is in the post you've quoted.

As for a side by side comparison? Youtube somewhere or are you able to get to a CW Showroom or Event?

Guy

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I’ve been searching YouTube for videos comparing aventurine watches across different brands, but I haven’t had any luck so far.

The watch itself is nice (especially for the price point) but I can’t help wondering—if I had spent more on a pricier watch, would the aventurine dial have been more sparkly? Or are all aventurine dials generally this subtle?

When I take photos and videos up close, the dial looks fairly shimmery, especially on video. However, if someone takes a photo of my wrist from about a meter away under normal lighting, the sparkle becomes almost invisible.

Unfortunately, I don’t think CW has showrooms or events near me where I could compare in person.

I wasn't actually sure whether aventurine was natural or manufactured I think it's actually both - or maybe some of the material that looks like this is man made, but still called aventurine.

I found this article which is quite helpful.
https://www.ethoswatches.com/the-watch- ... ine-dials/

I have a moonphase watch by Sugess which they call bluestone, so I think that is man-made. It's very sparkly in real life, but doesn't show the effect properly in still shots. Maybe the Venezianico uses natural stone, with fewer flakes.

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:19 am ^^^^ Sorry to hear the Venezianico Redentore doesn't meet up with your expectations.

My view is in the post you've quoted.

As for a side by side comparison? Youtube somewhere or are you able to get to a CW Showroom or Event?

Guy

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When I look at the watch up close, about 20–40 cm away in the right lighting conditions, I can see some shine and shimmer on the dial. However, as soon as my wrist is further away—like when my hand is lowered or someone is standing around 1 meter away—the watch appears more or less black, with very little visible sparkle.

I wanted to upload a video to demonstrate this effect, but it seems I can only upload photos here. In the photos, you can see some subtle shimmer up close, but from a distance, it looks quite dark.

Since you own the Moonphase: how has your experience been? Do you notice the shine and shimmer even from a distance, or is it mostly visible only when you bring the watch closer to you?

JAFO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:11 pm I wasn't actually sure whether aventurine was natural or manufactured I think it's actually both - or maybe some of the material that looks like this is man made, but still called aventurine.

I found this article which is quite helpful.
https://www.ethoswatches.com/the-watch- ... ine-dials/

I have a moonphase watch by Sugess which they call bluestone, so I think that is man-made. It's very sparkly in real life, but doesn't show the effect properly in still shots. Maybe the Venezianico uses natural stone, with fewer flakes.

There is a natural occuring aventurine. But in the case of watch dials I think the aventurine refers to a 16th century Venetian glass making technique. So all of the watch dials are man made.

Here is a Loupe article that explains CWs process. They also mention the glass making above.

HAYQ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:48 pm

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:19 am ^^^^ Sorry to hear the Venezianico Redentore doesn't meet up with your expectations.

My view is in the post you've quoted.

As for a side by side comparison? Youtube somewhere or are you able to get to a CW Showroom or Event?

Guy

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When I look at the watch up close, about 20–40 cm away in the right lighting conditions, I can see some shine and shimmer on the dial. However, as soon as my wrist is further away—like when my hand is lowered or someone is standing around 1 meter away—the watch appears more or less black, with very little visible sparkle.

I wanted to upload a video to demonstrate this effect, but it seems I can only upload photos here. In the photos, you can see some subtle shimmer up close, but from a distance, it looks quite dark.

Since you own the Moonphase: how has your experience been? Do you notice the shine and shimmer even from a distance, or is it mostly visible only when you bring the watch closer to you?


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I see what you mean. This is my dial. I struggled to get the focus correct with a still. This is a screen shot from a video still. I' have a 15watt LED bulb, and the dial looks very sparkly.

JAFO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:23 pm

HAYQ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:48 pm

Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:19 am ^^^^ Sorry to hear the Venezianico Redentore doesn't meet up with your expectations.

My view is in the post you've quoted.

As for a side by side comparison? Youtube somewhere or are you able to get to a CW Showroom or Event?

Guy

Sent from my Galaxy S23 Ultra using Tapatalk

When I look at the watch up close, about 20–40 cm away in the right lighting conditions, I can see some shine and shimmer on the dial. However, as soon as my wrist is further away—like when my hand is lowered or someone is standing around 1 meter away—the watch appears more or less black, with very little visible sparkle.

I wanted to upload a video to demonstrate this effect, but it seems I can only upload photos here. In the photos, you can see some subtle shimmer up close, but from a distance, it looks quite dark.

Since you own the Moonphase: how has your experience been? Do you notice the shine and shimmer even from a distance, or is it mostly visible only when you bring the watch closer to you?


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I see what you mean. This is my dial. I struggled to get the focus correct with a still. This is a screen shot from a video still. I' have a 15watt LED bulb, and the dial looks very sparkly.

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Thank you for the photo—it looks very sparkly and shiny!
Mine can look almost as sparkly and shimmery when viewed up close and directly under light. However, when my hand is a bit further away or viewed from a distance (around 50 cm to 1 m), the shimmer and sparkle tend to disappear, and it mostly looks black. Up close, with light shining on it at the right angle, it does look pretty nice.

I’m starting to realize that my expectations for aventurine dials might have been way too high and a bit unrealistic. Still, it’s a beautiful detail when seen up close.

When I was researching Aventurine watches recently, I concluded that the CW Moonphase and the Venezianico Redentore both use man-made glass, the quality of which can obviously vary depending on the manufacturing process. rkovars has already linked to the Loupe article article that explains CW's manufacturing process. Venezianico on the Redentore product page refer to "Aventurine, used in this Redentore model, is a fine glass material discovered in Venice in the 17th century by the artisans of Murano." (emphasis is mine).

Of course, there is also a natural gemstone called Aventurine, which I believe was named after the man-made glass. Tourby do a range of gemstone watches, including Aventurine, which they claim use genuine gemstone, i.e., not man-made glass. My guess is that it is not as sparkly as the CW Moonphase, but that is purely based on images on the web-pages.

Of all the pictures of Aventurine watches I have looked at, the CW is the stand-out - it reminds me of the Hubble Ultra Deep Field (and I would buy one if it was not for the Moonphase complication):

A few close up wrist shots, in varying light, (lifted from the CW of the Day thread) of my C1 Moonphase for you @HAYQ



Early morning diffused daylight.




Late evening LED reading light (over my right shoulder)



Middle day, winter (New Year's day) diffused daylight



Late evening LED reading light, again.


Taking your point of close up vs. arm's length, I'll take a couple of suitable pics later this evening.


Guy

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:43 pm A few close up wrist shots, in varying light, (lifted from the CW of the Day thread) of my C1 Moonphase for you @HAYQ



Early morning diffused daylight.




Late evening LED reading light (over my right shoulder)



Middle day, winter (New Year's day) diffused daylight



Late evening LED reading light, again.


Taking your point of close up vs. arm's length, I'll take a couple of suitable pics later this evening.


Guy

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Thank you so much, these pics look amazing.
Mine gets somewhat close to this at this range but yeah curious to see how it looks at arm`s length distance

@HAYQ - Okay; here we go.

Some photos of my C1 Moonphase, on which I've set the moon(s) to be out of sight and thus of no distraction.

I've done as best I think I can to replicate the composition you used for your pics 'at arms length'.







A final pic of a more normal wristshot, that better shows the detail.




Two comments;-

1. The lighting in my kitchen is two x 4 LED spotlights that are brighter than sunlight, and

2. Much as the camera on my Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is generally excellent, it's actually pretty rubbish at picking out the 'brilliantness' of the sparkle of the Aventurine dial.

The rest, I'll leave up to you.

Guy

PS> The time is not correctly set; being the time as I picked it out of my watch box. It's a couple of hours fast.