As long as you wasn’t mislead and are happy now.

apologist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:14 pm More importantly - the C60 keeps better time than my much more expensive watches (with the exception of the Grand Seiko). I’m retired now and have collected watches for decades. While I treasure all my watches, the CW is a breath of fresh air.

Be aware, theres several colours and limited eds to look in to depending on how much you love it!
The rabbit hole can go quite deep at times in cw land

My wife gifted me the c60 smoked sapphire and it has been exceptional. I own four CWs and a Rolex no-date sub. Enjoying each of the watches as I rotate wearing each but the c60 smoked sapphire is just so very intriguing to look at. Cheers to all who own a sapphire. I too am curious if CW is making a dial change or discontinuing the model.

That’s quite an endorsement. Anyone compared a current gen Trident 300 to watches in the tiers above? Curious if it also holds its own

sankacoffee5 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:43 am That’s quite an endorsement. Anyone compared a current gen Trident 300 to watches in the tiers above? Curious if it also holds its own

Yes, and it doesnt.

golfjunky wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:31 am

sankacoffee5 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:43 am That’s quite an endorsement. Anyone compared a current gen Trident 300 to watches in the tiers above? Curious if it also holds its own

Yes, and it doesnt.

Yeah I’m starting to find myself on the fence between buying the Trident 300 or waiting and getting something else (Oris, Sinn, Tag, whatever)

sankacoffee5 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:38 pm

golfjunky wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:31 am

sankacoffee5 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:43 am That’s quite an endorsement. Anyone compared a current gen Trident 300 to watches in the tiers above? Curious if it also holds its own

Yes, and it doesnt.

Yeah I’m starting to find myself on the fence between buying the Trident 300 or waiting and getting something else (Oris, Sinn, Tag, whatever)

I’ve owned most of those brands and I don’t think there is much between them and CW. Have you seen a CW in real life?

You could also wait for the August release of “the ultimate trident” and then decide

@apologist

I own, or have owned, many of the watches you mentioned and while I do believe CW watches are fantastic, there is some hyperbole in your statement. There is no doubt CW watches are very well made and the value one gets well surpasses the price point especially because many other brands charge much higher margin multiples. But, they are not as good as Rolex, Omega, or even Tudor in IMHO.

CW watches clasps can be a bit finicky and until recently they still used pins or double sided screws. Compare the CW Trident clasp to the Tudor Pelagos 42mm or Rolex Submariner 116610/126610 clasp or even Brietling. The finish on CW is amazing but still not perfect, not that anything is truly perfect but Rolex gets real close.

Again, CW are fantastic for the price but they are not in the same league as some of the watches you have mentioned. I would say they are probably better than any sub $5000 watch from Hamilton, Longines, Oris, Squale, and similar priced watches.

The issue with accuracy is that it is a static measurement at a point in time (no pun intended). Meaning, at the time a watch leaves the manufacturer it will/may be "regulated" but all watch movements will vary fast or slow over time. Even a crappy Seiko movement can be made more accurate than it comes from the factory. So, comparing a new Selita movement in a CW to older watches that have not been serviced and/or regulated is not necessarily an apples to apples comparison.

Comparing luxury products on price, is a mistake, particularly as retail price on such things, has little bearing on manufacturing cost.

Fit and finish, movement accuracy, reliability and longevity are all quantifiable qualities and objectively, there isn't much between most luxury watches, Christopher Ward included.

Leaving out any (realistically) relatively minor differences, leaves only subjective opinion and being human, we are all very susceptible to clever marketing and the bias it creates.

Someone that has just forked out £4k for a widely recognised brand of watch, is not likely to want to believe that something a fraction of the price could possibly compare.

Someone that has just forked out £4k for a widely recognised brand of watch, is not likely to want to believe that something a fraction of the price could possibly compare.

Yes, once you get past the objective facts it's all subjective opinion. Equally, there is the factor that someone who has paid a fraction of the price will look to compare the product they have just bought favourably against the more expensive option. Remember the rather tongue-in-cheek advertising campaign from Sekonda "beware of expensive imitations"?

Kip wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:46 am I do not think the C60 Sapphire has been discontinued. I think it is now in transition to the V4 logo along with the C60 Colchester. I suspect that it will be reappearing soon.

Waiting patiently (and have been since this was posted) @Kip

exHowfener wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:11 pm

Someone that has just forked out £4k for a widely recognised brand of watch, is not likely to want to believe that something a fraction of the price could possibly compare.

Yes, once you get past the objective facts it's all subjective opinion. Equally, there is the factor that someone who has paid a fraction of the price will look to compare the product they have just bought favourably against the more expensive option. Remember the rather tongue-in-cheek advertising campaign from Sekonda "beware of expensive imitations"?

My recent experience at a Rolex AD, left me feeling rather cold, sales ‘attitude’ aside, I came away feeling that had I dropped over £6k on an Explorer, I would have felt rather short changed. A nice watch for sure, but that money can buy so much more. That visit did my wallet and I, a big favour.
I’m sure Rolex know what they’re doing, but I can’t help but feel that the recent frenzy around price increases (greed), might have killed the golden goose.

@MarkingTime
When you say “the recent frenzy around price increases (greed)” I assume you mean all the brands that have increased % RRP by more than Rolex have increased theirs over the past say three years or so, in their forlorn attempt to try and convey they are playing on the same pitch as Rolex?

I think that @exHowfener hit the nail on the thread.

You have tried to make a justification of lesser brands being comparable because…

You didn’t like the “Rolex AD experience” that you encountered. Hardly objective.

Neil

nbg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:10 pm @MarkingTime
When you say “the recent frenzy around price increases (greed)” I assume you mean all the brands that have increased % RRP by more than Rolex have increased theirs over the past say three years or so, in their forlorn attempt to try and convey they are playing on the same pitch as Rolex?

I think that @exHowfener hit the nail on the thread.

You have tried to make a justification of lesser brands being comparable because…

You didn’t like the “Rolex AD experience” that you encountered. Hardly objective.

Neil

I make no such justification, nor infer it and “lesser brands” were not my words.
The fact remains that the fit and finish of any manufactured object, can only be so good, regardless of the price at which it is sold. Aesthetics and branding have value, for sure, and each individual can attach their own importance to these, but they are quite distinct from the functional elements.
I’d quite like a Rolex, as it goes, but having held and inspected a few of them, I can longer see the value for me and would not try to justify buying one, especially new.
Once prices have returned to normality and those that have got burnt, steer clear, I might have a closer look at the used market.

kev017 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:54 pm

sankacoffee5 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:38 pm

golfjunky wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:31 am

Yes, and it doesnt.

Yeah I’m starting to find myself on the fence between buying the Trident 300 or waiting and getting something else (Oris, Sinn, Tag, whatever)

I’ve owned most of those brands and I don’t think there is much between them and CW. Have you seen a CW in real life?

You could also wait for the August release of “the ultimate trident” and then decide

I have not, but ran across a custom black bezel blue dial current gen trident and it comes Wednesday. Hopefully I won’t regret not waiting for the reveal but I’m excited.