I found this short video by Simon Freese interesting:

My experience is no it's not.
There are many preferable swiss and indeed Japanese movements.
TBH I think cw are asking too much for such a cheap movement with its handwinding problem.
It puts me off the entire cw offerings.

For what it's worth, I never had any issues with it. Proven architecture. In house movements may look nicer but have issues as often as these workhorse movements. At CW my experience is that they are always well regulated. I can't fault them.

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I find it good. I reckon my both sw330-3 and se200 both run within cosc. Sw200 may be a bit loud but thats it. PR leaves a nit to desire…


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No issue with it. My first CW, the C5A Mk2, was a Sellita. Still working fine after 12 years, and I haven't had to send it for servicing yet.

Meanwhile I had to send my newer Bremont Solo (modified ETA, certified chronometer) for servicing because the crown winding became super rough (grinding feel). Just got it back today.

My auto CWs which are all Sellitas except for my C5A Mk1 and C60GMT continue to run just fine. I don't worry that they aren't COSC-standard accurate, since that was never my expectation. As long as the timing is reliable and predictable over 2 to 3 days (hardly wear a watch longer than that), I'm happy.

Flef wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:35 pm My experience is no it's not.
There are many preferable swiss and indeed Japanese movements.
TBH I think cw are asking too much for such a cheap movement with its handwinding problem.
It puts me off the entire cw offerings.

Without wishing to sound like a CW fanboy which I certainly am not, currently owning watches across half a dozen brands, I'm not aware of any other brand offering Sellita 200 movements in watches that are much cheaper than CW do in their sealander and pro 300 ranges. If there are then I'm more than happy to find out about them !! Please tell us ! And whilst there may be a few seiko 6R's around for similar money my experience of that is that they vary wildly from watch to watch and my sellita models all are pretty consistent.

Alternatives at this price point are numerous but to name a few Rhonda 150, Powermatic 80, h31 and 21 hamiltons. All offer a better spec Cheaper but more reliable with no real issues except Swiss snobbery is myota 9039.
All are in the sub £1000 watch category many a lot less.
Dont get me wrong I love the cw design but I can't live with there choice of movement

Flef wrote:Alternatives at this price point are numerous but to name a few Rhonda 150, Powermatic 80, h31 and 21 hamiltons. All offer a better spec Cheaper but more reliable with no real issues except Swiss snobbery is myota 9039.
All are in the sub £1000 watch category many a lot less.
Dont get me wrong I love the cw design but I can't live with there choice of movement

Not to be crass but there is only one movement out of the 5 you named that can be compared to the SW200, and the Sellita is without question the better of the two (Rhonda)

The SW200-1 is an outstanding movement


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It's not just the movement anyway. It's swiss made, not just swiss movement. Maybe I'm a sucker for those 2 words, but I place a lot of credence in "swiss made", and with CW you're not even paying over the top.

People often say that brands that ask £2500 or more for a SW200 or a 2824 are gouging, and here's CW selling equally well finished watches for a third of that price.

In my opinion, if you find a style of watch that you like at CW, you will be hard pushed to find better value anywhere else.

I notice that Tudor are still using the Sellita 200 in their Royal range, and I believe that Oris, Sinn, Bremont, IWC, Bell&Ross to name but a few have all used the Sellita 200 movement as a base in current or previous models. Whilst the finishing of these watches is of a higher standard than CW offer, and the movements may have been modified or simply regulated to a higher standard, they are still at heart the same movement that CW use, and being able to buy a decent watch for £500-£1000 that utilises a very similar movement to one costing four or five times the price from a major brand is reassuring in my book. Whilst you may find Ronda 150 in some watches that are cheaper than a CW, i don't think you'll find it in many (any?) that are more expensive and there's probably a reason for it.

JAFO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:06 pm It's not just the movement anyway. It's swiss made, not just swiss movement. Maybe I'm a sucker for those 2 words, but I place a lot of credence in "swiss made", and with CW you're not even paying over the top.

People often say that brands that ask £2500 or more for a SW200 or a 2824 are gouging, and here's CW selling equally well finished watches for a third of that price.

In my opinion, if you find a style of watch that you like at CW, you will be hard pushed to find better value anywhere else.

Couldn't agree more, breitling are using the cosc grade SW 200 in the latest super ocean and charging the best part of 4k for it......a cosc grade CW would be just over 1k...



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Kyledemo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Flef wrote:Alternatives at this price point are numerous but to name a few Rhonda 150, Powermatic 80, h31 and 21 hamiltons. All offer a better spec Cheaper but more reliable with no real issues except Swiss snobbery is myota 9039.
All are in the sub £1000 watch category many a lot less.
Dont get me wrong I love the cw design but I can't live with there choice of movement

Not to be crass but there is only one movement out of the 5 you named that can be compared to the SW200, and the Sellita is without question the better of the two (Rhonda)

The SW200-1 is an outstanding movement


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The Powermatic 80 (and renamed Hamilton H-10), being 2824-2 movements with longer PR, are absolutely comparable to the SW-200. It's arguably better than the SW-200, if for no other reason than the longer PR, although the lower frequency detracts from it. Is a Hamilton Khaki Field, at 2/3 the price of a Sealander, a better value? That would be an interesting debate.

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Kyledemo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Flef wrote:Alternatives at this price point are numerous but to name a few Rhonda 150, Powermatic 80, h31 and 21 hamiltons. All offer a better spec Cheaper but more reliable with no real issues except Swiss snobbery is myota 9039.
All are in the sub £1000 watch category many a lot less.
Dont get me wrong I love the cw design but I can't live with there choice of movement

Not to be crass but there is only one movement out of the 5 you named that can be compared to the SW200, and the Sellita is without question the better of the two (Rhonda)

The SW200-1 is an outstanding movement


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The Powermatic 80 (and renamed Hamilton H-10), being 2824-2 movements with longer PR, are absolutely comparable to the SW-200. It's arguably better than the SW-200, if for no other reason than the longer PR, although the lower frequency detracts from it. Is a Hamilton Khaki Field, at 2/3 the price of a Sealander, a better value? That would be an interesting debate.

Agree to disagree

The Powermatic 80 and H10, for all intents and purposes, is a 2824-2 clone that the accessibility and smooth sweep have been stripped from. You can’t regulate them, most watchmakers in the world outside of Swatch can’t service them, and the sacrifice of frequency for a seldom (relative) used PR is questionable at best. There is no comparison here IMHO

I had a Khaki Field for a couple of years and I loved it. Very good quality for the money, just like CW.

I just wanted to make the point that there most definitively are not “numerous” better movements than the SW200-1 in the sub $1k price. There are actually very few in the sub $3k price that I would consider all-in-all better. Within that point you can get a top or chronometer grade Sellita, a movement I would put up against nearly anything else regarding reliability and serviceability.


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As I said from my experience two sw200-1 watches both broken from day 1.
I think I must have been unlucky. Considering I've bought over a dozen others without fail. My preference are the myota based microbrand watches rather than the Swiss ones like cw I think you pay a lot for those two words
If Swiss made is important then I guess this won't cut it.

Would the Powermatic 80 movement even be available for purchase by a non-Swatch outsider like CW??

If not, it seems silly to hit CW on the head with it.

In any case, it's clear different forum members have had different experiences with ETA vs Sellita.

Besides my experience with the modified ETA in my Bremont, I will also add that my C5A Mk1 also had some crown issues. It has an ETA movement and around 2017/2018, I had to send it for repair because it felt like the crown tip (the part you hold in your fingers) was loose and about to fall off the stem whenever I wound it.

It was admittedly pre-owned (bought from a forum member long ago) so maybe the wear and tear from previous use was high. But still, that's another ETA I own with crown/winding issues.

So my experience is the opposite of Flef's.