Help: C7 date adjustment query

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If the dials is the best you can do then case closed, it's a rip off.

Don't forget the brand logo looks different too.

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In hindsight (& after calming down) I think it's also worth me pointing out some positives!

In summary and with no denial the watch looks & feels great. So apart from the problems with the mechansim (pretty fundamental I know!) the watch definately looks the part.

Finally, on the time travelling feature it had yesterday (where time appeared to be going backwards) I discovered that actually the hour hand had become loose in some way and a shake in any direction caused the hand to move in that direction. It all leads me to believe that changing the date in the manner suggested is so un-natural that it caused the hour hand to break so I'd suggest it's evidentially incorrect to do so. Has anyone else had delivery of thiers and tried to change the date in the "quick set" mode which is the middle crown position???
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Most watches that pay homage to the motoring era are pretty much all the same. Take Choppard Mille Miglia and the Omega Speedmaster, both bear more than a striking resemblance to the Tag Heuer Carrera. I think what CW has achieved with the C7 is a cheaper (and IMHO a great looking) version of all of these, living up to is business model.

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It's funny this business of the C7 being a 'clone' of the Tag Carrera!!My business is tennis, and there are an awfull lot of tennis rackets out there for sale, by quite a few different manufacturers, and some co's see how successfull a certain model has been for someone else, and intro a model into their range that has a similar weight, balance and feel, and is aimed at the same kind of player!!

In fact, every racket Co' will have comparable rackets right accross their range.....I could easily pick the top 5 Co's and match up the rackets to each other!! I've actually hit with most of these so know how they all play too :wink:
The rackets will feature similar characteristics, and the frame may even share some similarities physically, but they will have different graphics, use a different string and grip, but will all be 'similar'.

It must be very hard to come up with a 'really new' design for a watch that's not too radical and that will sell, so all the Co's will produce 'their' version of each type of watch, hoping punters prefer that to something else!!

I've wanted a TAG Carrera for ages because I like that style of watch, and up till now thought TAG did the most attractive version, but I am unwilling to part with £1800 for one.....and now the C7 is here, with similar-ish levels of quality, and at a fraction of the price, to me, it's a no-brainer to get one.....and I rather like the look of it too 8)
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Re: Help: C7 date adjustment query

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Chigs wrote:Just had a long chat with one of the folks at C&W and she took me to the ETA website (http://www.eta.ch). The mechanism is the normflatline 251.272 and apparently it has a "mechanical date" ... She also took me through to the technical specs at https://secure.eta.ch/CSP/DesktopModule ... DocType=DT and it does say there that "the date is adjusted every time the hour hand goes past midnight".

So apparently this is isnt a fault but just how the mechanism works.

Just surprising that I've never come across this before and I've worn a lot of watches which use the ETA mechansm including a Breitlng (also a chronograph), a TAG and a Tissot. It may just be the quirk of this particular mechanism although the clicking sound you get in datejust mode when the hour hand moves and the minute hand twitches does sound like its working against the mechanism ... I thought Swiss stuff was supposed to be silky smooth ... ?

Not sure what to do. I am going to call again tomorrow and speak to Chris himself before I decide whether I can live with this or not. Its a really nice watch otherwise and feels very solid and looks more expensive than it is.
Chigs wrote:That's what the manual that came with the watch says too ... If this was how the mechanism worked I would have expected it to be described as such in the manual ... maybe Chris hadn't picked this up either?

I also looked at the Hamilton Khaki Aviation which uses the same mechanism and its manual (http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/webapp/upl ... 4187_p.pdf) does state that the date is adjusted by moving the hour hand forwards so it looks like this is a nuance of the ETA 252.271mechanism.

I'm happy so long as there is no fault and this is how its supposed to work although it does make things a tad inconvenient if you need to adjust the date by more than a day or need to go back a day in which case you are looking at going through 29-30 24 hr rotations of the Hour Hand.

Am going to speak to Chris about it this afternoon and will let you know how I get on.
After a little research and some communications with CWL this is the correct way to adjust the date by advancing the time. It is just how this movement works.

If your movement is binding or grinding in some way that is a different issue.
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Kip - What do you mean by "binding" or "grinding"? There is a clicking sound as the hour hand moves forward from hour to hour and the minute hand "twitches" slightly ... To be frank, haven't had to change the date again and not planning to fiddle until I need to either ...

I do really like the watch and have already got quite a few compliments ... And it looks very good, even on my thinner than average wrists! Well done CW!

Am going to get my Dad one for his bday next year ... :)
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Chigs, true enough I've looked and found a couple of manuals for other watches that also use the 251.272 movement and it appears that's the way they are to also be adjusted. Have a look at http://www.mirelojeria.com/manuals/Chas ... nglish.pdf but in my case whatever happened actually in the end broke the hour hand.

The method of changing the date was for me actually pretty irrelavant and I could definately have lived with that as long as it worked. However it actually never felt natural which is hard to explain. It was like when you move a dial beyond a point it's meant to and it eventually clicks after pressure if you know what I mean.

Also, when I was unscrewing the crown originally it started changing the hour before it had even popped out or actually been moved into position 2. Now that corrected after 3-5 attempts and from that point it could only be changed using the middle position after that.

In any case, I've returned mine and asked for a replacement (mainly because the hour hand has obviously become broken) so I'll be able to update when I get a new one on how different it feels.

Has anyone else got a 251.272 movement watch and does the date change seem forced or even better a C7!!
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Hi guys,

Received my C7 in the post today (BRGLES). Have to say that I am really happy with it so far. The watch looks and feels great. On reading this thread I was curious about the date changing function on mine so decided to have a play. I get the slightly alarming 'clicking' sound as the hour hand goes round as well.. :?

Think it's been settled that this is parculiar to the mechanism and is how it's meant to function. Iandeery, are you sure that it was setting the date that knackered your hour hand? It sounds as though your C7 managed to avoid quality control somehow..

Anyway, I was told about CW watches by a friend who has 3 or 4 of them from across the range. He's got a couple of TAGS as well, but can't stop raving about CW watches for the price.. He's not had any problems with his, apart from delayed delivery on one of them. My C7 came in 2 days which isn't bad given the christmas post!

It'd be good to hear how people are getting on with their C7's.. come on, I know there are at least 98 other people with the same model as me!

(just as an aside, I hadnt realised just how similar these are to the TAG Carreras...)
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The hands were working fine before I tried to change the date. I'm convinced it was faulty from the start but we'll see when I have a new one sent on next week.
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New watch arrived after being posted to the wrong address etc etc and is very different. The mechanism works much better. It appears my last one was faulty which still means like I said before it shouldn't have passed any kind of quality check but it's here now and it looks great.
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Good stuff - just in time for christmas :D
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iandeery wrote:New watch arrived after being posted to the wrong address etc etc and is very different. The mechanism works much better. It appears my last one was faulty which still means like I said before it shouldn't have passed any kind of quality check but it's here now and it looks great.
So does yours now advance the date, rather than the hour hand?
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No. It definately moves the hour hand to change the date which doesn't "feel" great but it looks like thats Eta's fault and not CWL as any other watch that has the 251.272 mechanism does the same. The manual could do with an update too to reflect this as it doesn't say anything about it.
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I'd echo that.

I've got a Maurice Lacroix quartz chrono with the same movement and it does the same thing. It feels clumsy when you adjust, but I've had the watch for five years now with no problems despite it seeming like you're twisting the entire movement when you change the date!
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I am sorry for resurrecting this old post.
I recently bought a C7 Rapide Mk1 (from the last sale).
I am not sure if the date adjustment mechanism is function as it should.
I recorded a video of this (pardon my English, it is not my native language): http://youtu.be/3p591eutLPQ.
For those of you who own one of these, is this normal?
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