I think you may be disappointed, the warranty is on the movement,not including crown and stem, not marker placement.all74 wrote:I'm past 60 days but still well within warranty. I think it may well be a misplaced index (or two). I emailed them back that I didn't accept their first answer (that it's within spec) so just waiting for their next reply.
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I wonder what the "spec" is with Grand Seiko?
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Well, that's just over 7months which is about the time it took the op!Isis wrote:Would not have noticed that in a month of Sundays.
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The humour in that post Robin should not be allowed to go by unnoticed.
Brilliant.
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The hands on my chrono dont line up either, they used to but seem to have slipped
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BAAWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! And the award for best comedic relief goes to . ..!!!!robinbarke wrote:Well, that's just over 7months which is about the time it took the op!Isis wrote:Would not have noticed that in a month of Sundays.
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Well said @robinbarke
At any rate, if you set it to 12:00 on the nuts, and everything lines up, then it is POSSIBLY the placement (or, in the case of these long-ish batons, the angle) of the indices. Generally speaking, the rotation of the hour pinion in the train is pretty uniform, but as all things this small, there could be a very slight variance. My suggestion is to line it up at 12:00 (which is how it is aligned during assembly) and see how spot-on it is. If it is dead on, then likely it is an index placement (or angle) issue.
Do consider, however, that a Hign-End Quartz Omega, TAG, etc. has Second-hands that almost never line up dead-on ALL THE WAY ROUND the dial. These are just things that can occur as a result of manufacturing something as small as an hour pinion and asking it to line up perfectly when there are slight variances in angular displacement... This variance is amplified as you move away from the axis.
Maybe a smaller watch, with shorter hour hands
At any rate, if you set it to 12:00 on the nuts, and everything lines up, then it is POSSIBLY the placement (or, in the case of these long-ish batons, the angle) of the indices. Generally speaking, the rotation of the hour pinion in the train is pretty uniform, but as all things this small, there could be a very slight variance. My suggestion is to line it up at 12:00 (which is how it is aligned during assembly) and see how spot-on it is. If it is dead on, then likely it is an index placement (or angle) issue.
Do consider, however, that a Hign-End Quartz Omega, TAG, etc. has Second-hands that almost never line up dead-on ALL THE WAY ROUND the dial. These are just things that can occur as a result of manufacturing something as small as an hour pinion and asking it to line up perfectly when there are slight variances in angular displacement... This variance is amplified as you move away from the axis.
Maybe a smaller watch, with shorter hour hands
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I just happened to stumble across this today and remembered your comment AVO. While not exactly the same issue (seconds hand vs minute hand), they are not immune, apparently.Amor Vincit Omnia wrote:I wonder what the "spec" is with Grand Seiko?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f67/grand- ... 61586.html
Whether or not Seiko would claim it is within spec though, I do not know but this chap on the same thread had his adjusted by Seiko when he complained about it.The only drawback I have to report [EDIT: it seems this has drawn a lot of attention - I want to point out that, 2 days later, I have decided it's really a non-issue... the alignment is so close it really doesn't matter] is that I do have the second-hand alignment issue that many others have complained about with quartz watches. The hand is just behind each marker (evenly all the way around it seems) by about one marker width. It’s noticeable to people like me who are a little OCD about spacing/design, and so I am not sure how much it will bother me over time.
However, the OP on this CW thread appears to have a slightly different problem in that only a couple of the markers seem to have been misapplied whereas the GS was slightly off on every mark. One can be adjusted, the other can't.As for the second hand....Don't stand for it!!
I sent mine back and complained profusely. Eventually they agreed it was "just" outside of tolerance and adjusted it.
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I had a vintage watch that was a few degrees out on the hour hand – it drove me mad and I had to get a watchmaker to put it right. Sounds like the CW problem is one of misaligned indices rather than misaligned hands. A bit like the wonky double bâton at 12 on one watch...can't remember which! QC issue.
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That was The Mystery of the Wonky 1 in the 12 as featured on the C90 Power Reserve (previously called The Becketts).
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Steve, that was the wonky c60pro batons.
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Both, IIRC!
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Indeedy!Amor Vincit Omnia wrote:Both, IIRC!
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Just my 2p worth.
We are used to seeing published specs for movement accuracy. Personally, for a quality movement, I think +20 to -10 on a new watch is quite a wide range.
The question, I suppose, is would folk pay more for a better movement or one that is adjusted? The COSC variants seem to be quite popular.
Again, just my opinion, but when it comes to the alignment of indices and the question of quartz seconds hands hitting the markers – "within specs" should read "perfect." Or is that asking too much?
We are used to seeing published specs for movement accuracy. Personally, for a quality movement, I think +20 to -10 on a new watch is quite a wide range.
The question, I suppose, is would folk pay more for a better movement or one that is adjusted? The COSC variants seem to be quite popular.
Again, just my opinion, but when it comes to the alignment of indices and the question of quartz seconds hands hitting the markers – "within specs" should read "perfect." Or is that asking too much?
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