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Apologies if this has already been discussed but noticed that the C65 Automatic and a couple of the Abyss models have now been dropped from sale
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^^^^ Yup; that's correct. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Both the C60 Abyss and C60 Abyss GMT were formally 'Retired' in January this year (2022/01) as may be seen in their respective entries in the CWArchive - Model Search - Abyss.

The C60 Abyss SH21 is still going strong. :wink: :wink:

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I bought my Abyss GMT off that last sale and knew nothing about them being discontinued. I'm really glad I did now. It will NOT be going on an auction site for 2k either 😂
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Question from a Newbie: in your experience, do retired/discontinued models typically appreciate in value on the secondary market following discontinuation?

I imagine this is model-specific and relates to the model’s popularity, but is there a general rule of thumb?
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mlsej wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:23 pm Question from a Newbie: in your experience, do retired/discontinued models typically appreciate in value on the secondary market following discontinuation?

I imagine this is model-specific and relates to the model’s popularity, but is there a general rule of thumb?
Rule of thumb? IMHO, do not expect any CW watch to appreciate in value. :thumbdown:

Time spent in the archive https://cwarchive.knack.com/cwarchive#home/ will enlighten on resale values but it's been my eight-years' experience that once you get over the premium paid on for a new watch you are looking to recover some of your outlay but not all of it. Obviously shrewd use of sale offerings will help; a bit.

I also think there's a possibility that the general rise of the price of things over time means that if you'd bought say a C6 Kingfisher new back in 2005 and you sold it now you might actually "get your money back". This is just a feeling I have rather than a proven theorem :lol: .

I think you mentioned the Abyss models: it has struck me that they are something a bit niche as they seem to take a while to sell. Again I'm happy to be disproved.
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^^^^ Great response Pete with which I wholeheartedly concur. The CWArchive is a mine of information.

Buying a new CW is like buying a car; it depreciates as soon as it comes out of the showroom.

Buy shrewdly with a discount or pre-owned and you might get your money back on a resale.

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Completely agree, CW makes a great watch but they will depreciate.
If you follow on EBay how many watches just sit there not being sold? If a Sealander costs £625.00 less the £100 voucher = £525. How much would you pay for a secondhand one £400-£425.
On the older models you have to consider a service of £160.00 that may needed (minimum). Again it is quite close to just buying a new watch with the warranty.
Some of the limited editions have only a different dial. In real terms how much value would it add? For me personally about 20% max.
I have some C5 aviators you could have purchased them in 2006 for about £300 which is there current value. Effectively, if I sold it I would have had a free watch.
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Just an observation, but if you buy something at x price then sell it years later for x in fact you will almost certainly have lost money due to the reduced spending value. As inflation rises that will become more pronounced. You see this all the time on "Antiques Roadshow" where someone bought something for, say, £500 in 1971 and now it's worth .... Well, £500 in 1971 was a LOT of money which is rarely mentioned. Balanced against this is the years of pleasure and enjoyment from ownership. So it's not quite as straightforward as it seems at first.
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Stuart1 wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:36 am I have some C5 aviators you could have purchased them in 2006 for about £300 which is there current value. Effectively, if I sold it I would have had a free watch.
Not when one accounts for inflation. £300 in 2006 isn’t quite the same as £300 now.
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jkbarnes wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:53 pm
Stuart1 wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:36 am I have some C5 aviators you could have purchased them in 2006 for about £300 which is there current value. Effectively, if I sold it I would have had a free watch.
Not when one accounts for inflation. £300 in 2006 isn’t quite the same as £300 now.
As others have said ‘I have used the watch for those years’. If I would have invested the same amount of money My return could have been higher than inflation.
Having said that we could all go out and buy Casio watches that are far more accurate than mechanical watches an only cost £10.00 but where would be enjoyment in that.
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Thanks all! I was actually expecting (hoping?) that this would be the case.

I’ve had my eye on a few of the discontinued CW models for a while, which have proven nearly impossible to find on secondary. In fact, they were still in production when I first came across CW 4-5 years ago.

As a new “collector” (can you be a collector with an inventory of 0?), I have no issue with going the pre-worn route and have no intention to re-sell. Just looking to maximize bang for my buck as I get started.

Anyway, didn’t mean to hijack the thread. Thanks again for the insight.
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mlsej wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:53 pm As a new “collector” (can you be a collector with an inventory of 0?), I have no issue with going the pre-worn route and have no intention to re-sell. Just looking to maximize bang for my buck as I get started.

Anyway, didn’t mean to hijack the thread. Thanks again for the insight.
“Aspiring collector,” perhaps? My first CW was second hand, as true for about a third of my CWs.
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