C9 vs IWC Portuguese: a blatant copy?

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Re: C9 vs IWC Portuguese: a blatant copy?

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ianblyth wrote:OK then. So how do you make a 2 reg chrono without it looking like any other manufactures 2 reg chrono from the past 50 years?
You could always try different numerals, hour & minute markers, hands, case shape & finish, colours for starters......
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Wis wrote:Surely you are not suggesting that there is only one design possible?
I don't think that Ian is implying that there is just one design.
But you always 'lend' design from an earlier/other watch.

There are just so few ways to design a watch.
Show me a 'unique' watch, that doesn't resemble another watch in one way or another.

Now the C9 isn't my cup of tea at all, and I must say it's just too similar to the IWC.
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Richard wrote:
Wis wrote:Surely you are not suggesting that there is only one design possible?
I don't think that Ian is implying that there is just one design.
But you always 'lend' design from an earlier/other watch.

There are just so few ways to design a watch.
Show me a 'unique' watch, that doesn't resemble another watch in one way or another.
Of course he doesn't, but come on. It isn't very difficult to find lots of different 2 reg chronos. I agree there are only so many ways for the general design of a normal watch, but the possibilities are limitless when it comes to execution: combinations of shapes, colours, indices/markers, hands etc.
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It's possible via a Google image search to see that there are endless variations on twin register chronographs that do not look like the IWC Portuguese, sufficient to say that the CWL C9 must have been designed with it in mind. Or, it was a remarkable coincidence!

To my eye, the C9 is a lovely looking watch, but seeing it next to the IWC the latter possesses an elegance that the C9 gets nowhere near achieving.

Having said that, personally, I don't have a problem with watches that 'tip their hat' towards an iconic model, as long as they don't pretend to be it.

I think the C9 could be improved with more elegant/thinner lugs, bigger registers, and a less clumsy minute track. But then I suppose it would be even closer to the IWC, which wouldn't please some!
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I think this woud be a more interesting discussion/comparison without the maker logos.

As always you will get conflicting opinions though. i do believe that the allure of IWC can sway many. :(
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I agree with you Ian, any mainstream watch is surely going to look similar to one made by someone else, there is only so much you can do with a watch face. By the way I think the IWC looks much nicer than the C9, but not thast many £££'s nicer! :problem:
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ianblyth wrote:OK then. So how do you make a 2 reg chrono without it looking like any other manufactures 2 reg chrono from the past 50 years?
Exactly. I agree 100%. :clap:
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Wis wrote:
Richard wrote:
Wis wrote:Surely you are not suggesting that there is only one design possible?
I don't think that Ian is implying that there is just one design.
But you always 'lend' design from an earlier/other watch.

There are just so few ways to design a watch.
Show me a 'unique' watch, that doesn't resemble another watch in one way or another.
Of course he doesn't, but come on. It isn't very difficult to find lots of different 2 reg chronos. I agree there are only so many ways for the general design of a normal watch, but the possibilities are limitless when it comes to execution: combinations of shapes, colours, indices/markers, hands etc.
Show me your 'version' of the C9 (shape, color etc.) and I'll show you it already has been done.
At that time this would not be a CW vs IWC discussion but a CW vs TypeX.

But as I already posted in my last line:
and I must say it's just too similar to the IWC
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Have 3 CW watches and love them :thumbup: however that IWC looked stunning!

Quick Google search found one I like, Portuguese Auto 5001, BUT the price!!!!!!!!!!!! £9,250 :shock:

I think I will stick with a CW "knock off" thank you very much.

Funny was looking at Omegas in some shop in Trafford Centre and preferred my C60!

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I'm not sure I'd go quite so far as to say blatant copy, but there are some obvious styling cues that might support such a suggestion such as the chrono dials overlapping the 12 and 6 indices, and the positioning of the logo and "Chronograph Automatic". Although no mention as such, I don't see it as any different to the C60/Rolex GMT comparison. There are enough examples of even big name watch makers doing similar things both these days and in the past and present to get too worked up about it. At the end of the day, nobody is actually passing it off as an IWC Portuguese.

What I would add is that I've always considered the C5 and C3 to have elements of the Portuguese about them. A gold C5 on a tan strap would look every bit as good as the £16,000 gold on tan Portuguese my boss chooses as a daily wear IMHO. It might just be my inbuilt sense of value but I'd rather have the C5.
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I know it's most likely heresy for saying so here and my land will suddenly stop producing crops to say nothing of what my cattle will suffer but I like the C9 better (copy or not). I think it's a little more refined in appearance and would look good as a dress watch...
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The IWC is great quality...but I think the CW looks less fussy
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Re: C9 vs IWC Portuguese: a blatant copy?

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Apart from the fact that they are both twin dial chronos with the sub dials above each other I really can't see much similarity. There are obvious design elements in common but to say one is blatent copy is IMHO preposterous. For what it is worth I like the IWC but not the C9. The sub-dials on the C9 seem far too small compared with the IWC which is perfectly balanced, nay a masterpiece. :)
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Well, it doesnt take much to see there is a similarity and it may be closer in the case of the C9 to the IWC than the c60 to the Sub. I agree that the Chronograph Automatic scripting and its position are too close for comfort. What I am certain of is that nobody will copy the scripting from a C50 as it is awful (but a nice watch).

If there was a hint of an issue, IWC would have surely come down on CW for copyright infringement, clearly not the case.

As for the Steinhart Ocean One, its a bigger case than a Rolex (and the bracelet is much better quality clasp - I've had both) so no issue there.

At the end of the day we all have choices. Personally I think the C9 Chrono with the silver dial and the blued hands looks superb and is on my wants list - but IMHO the red hands depicted on the silver sub dials and black face are executed in a way that IWC would never countenance.
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f1colin wrote:Well, it doesnt take much to see there is a similarity and it may be closer in the case of the C9 to the IWC than the c60 to the Sub. I agree that the Chronograph Automatic scripting and its position are too close for comfort. What I am certain of is that nobody will copy the scripting from a C50 as it is awful (but a nice watch).

If there was a hint of an issue, IWC would have surely come down on CW for copyright infringement, clearly not the case.

As for the Steinhart Ocean One, its a bigger case than a Rolex (and the bracelet is much better quality clasp - I've had both) so no issue there.

At the end of the day we all have choices. Personally I think the C9 Chrono with the silver dial and the blued hands looks superb and is on my wants list - but IMHO the red hands depicted on the silver sub dials and black face are executed in a way that IWC would never countenance.
Slightly off topic but still with copyrights in mind, I am surprised that CWL are getting away with the blatant Bond references on their website, bearing in mind how the 007 owners & Omega usually seem to take great exception to any perceived infringements......