Ten years ago I would have been all over these, just a bit too bling for me now personally. Good to see CW catering for lots of different markets.

Apart from the polished links, (and 40GBP) what are the differences between the Consort and Bader bracelets?

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:12 am Apart from the polished links, (and 40GBP) what are the differences between the Consort and Bader bracelets?

The Bader (I think) is the bracelet used on the C63 until now. So it should have a long single fold clasp and five position ratchet adjustment. The Consort will have the same clasp as the C12 bracelet – double butterfly deployant.

Thanks for the clarification, Steve

So for me, the 5 position ratchet adjustment is the way forward.

Not sure how the Consort can be described as the best one yet, if it doesn’t have the on-the-fly adjustment option. Seems like a backward step.

This forum gets really worked up about marketing copy. Of course they’re going to say it’s their best bracelet yet, they want to sell a bunch of them. “It’s an ok bracelet with a lesser clasp” doesn’t move units.

The question of lesser clasp or better clasp, lesser bracelet or better bracelet, is open to some personal interpretation.

People who feel they need the ratchet extension will be sceptical of the new clasp. Having experienced it with the C 12, I certainly appreciate that the bracelet is thinner and lighter, and I haven’t found the lack of adjustment to be a problem. I wore it on some fairly warm and humid days before our current weather took a nosedive.

The main bone of contention with the C63 bracelets has been the length of the clasp, which some people find too long and therefore uncomfortable.

I’ve been happy with both bracelets.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:23 pm The question of lesser clasp or better clasp, lesser bracelet or better bracelet, is open to some personal interpretation.

People who feel they need the ratchet extension will be sceptical of the new clasp. Having experienced it with the C 12, I certainly appreciate that the bracelet is thinner and lighter, and I haven’t found the lack of adjustment to be a problem. I wore it on some fairly warm and humid days before our current weather took a nosedive.

The main bone of contention with the C63 bracelets has been the length of the clasp, which some people find too long and therefore uncomfortable.

I’ve been happy with both bracelets.

I’ve had a similar experience with the bracelet on the Twelve and seem to have found the perfect fit where it’s not uncomfortably tight when the temperature goes up and not too loose when it gets cooler. I also love the on the fly adjustability with the bracelets on my Sealanders and Ranger but haven’t missed it on the Twelve yet. The clasp on the newer bracelets is a bit on the long side but I find the size of the clasp on the older pin & collar bracelets to be just right.

My only concern with the Consort bracelet is the range of adjustment without any half links. There doesn’t seem to be anything online stating the length of the links so it might be more difficult to achieve that perfect fit. I think I will wait until the early adopters start posting their opinions about the new bracelet before making my mind up.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:15 pm This forum gets really worked up about marketing copy. Of course they’re going to say it’s their best bracelet yet, they want to sell a bunch of them. “It’s an ok bracelet with a lesser clasp” doesn’t move units.

Not sure my comment about bracelet can be construed as getting worked up.

And I would say I’m not the Forum.

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:49 pm And I would say I’m not the Forum.

As you say, no individual can really represent the polarised views you find on the forum. These bracelets and clasps are definitely things that divide, and will continue to divide, opinion. Discussion is important.

I think that for a few it will be the apparent lack of 2/3rd links that will make getting an ideal fit difficult.

I recall that some forumites mentioned difficulty in obtaining a good fit, with the previous version of the micro adjustment clasp. The addition of a couple of smaller links probably solved that.

Therefore the longer clasp and extra micro positions on the improved, thinner taper, screw link, oyster style bracelet probably solved a problem that no longer existed, as there were already a couple of smaller links in the bracelet.

The bracelet designed for the Twelve recognised the importance of being able to combine smaller links on a butterfly clasp bracelet. No idea why that wasn’t followed through with the consort…

Neil

nbg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:06 pm The bracelet designed for the Twelve recognised the importance of being able to combine smaller links on a butterfly clasp bracelet. No idea why that wasn’t followed through with the consort…

Neil

The links on the Consort look plenty small to me. I'll know for certain in a few days. My order has shown 'Preparing for despatch' since the release.

I think they did miss an opportunity for fit keeping the two polished links on the endlink fixed instead of figuring out how to make them female.

The links on the pin version of the Oyster for the C65 (I don't have my C60 handy but I'll add the measurements here when I do) are:

Main links 13 mm
'Half' links 10 mm
Clasp length 38.5 mm (outside) 40+ mm including the fold (inside)

UPDATE: The C60 MK3 are the same as the C65 above.

Previous C65 bracelet (quick adjust but no QR spring bars - raised center portion on the links

Main links 13+ mm (slightly longer than 13 but there is not enough resolution on my calipers to say how much)
No 'half' links available.
Clasp length (this is the effective length as the older clasp had a link that protruded from the clasp that was not articulated at all) 45+ mm (outside)
47.5 mm including the fold (inside).


Added pics to illustrate (I apologize in advance for the crappy pics!):

Latest pin clasp - the link on the right does articulate a bit see the difference between pic 1 and 2.
Pic 3 is the transition clasp between the older one and the newer one. The link on the right coming out of the clasp does not articulate at all increasing the overall length. <Placeholder for C60 and Consort measurements>

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:49 pm

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:15 pm This forum gets really worked up about marketing copy. Of course they’re going to say it’s their best bracelet yet, they want to sell a bunch of them. “It’s an ok bracelet with a lesser clasp” doesn’t move units.

Not sure my comment about bracelet can be construed as getting worked up.

And I would say I’m not the Forum.

You aren't the only one (not even the only one in this thread), and this isn't the only time people on the forum have brought things like this up.Sorry if you felt attacked.

I haven’t tried the Twelve bracelet or the Consort, but the butterfly mechanism looks very similar to some others that I have.

I find butterfly clasps to dig into my wrists a bit, much much more than even a cheap stamped standard clasp.

I like the look of the consort over the bader right now, but a more traditional clasp would be a preferred change for me.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:17 pm

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:49 pm

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:15 pm This forum gets really worked up about marketing copy. Of course they’re going to say it’s their best bracelet yet, they want to sell a bunch of them. “It’s an ok bracelet with a lesser clasp” doesn’t move units.

Not sure my comment about bracelet can be construed as getting worked up.

And I would say I’m not the Forum.

You aren't the only one (not even the only one in this thread), and this isn't the only time people on the forum have brought things like this up.Sorry if you felt attacked.

I just thought your choice of words sounded more worked up than anyone else’s. Your use of “Of Course” gave emphasis to that impression. And certainly members raising points about new releases and their features is part of the release discussion.

MistaFroggyG wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:03 pm I haven’t tried the Twelve bracelet or the Consort, but the butterfly mechanism looks very similar to some others that I have.

I find butterfly clasps to dig into my wrists a bit, much much more than even a cheap stamped standard clasp.

I like the look of the consort over the bader right now, but a more traditional clasp would be a preferred change for me.

Can’t comment about the Consort bracelet but I find the Twelve to be the most comfortable bracelet I own. The light weight and thinness of the Ti Twelve might help but I haven’t noticed the butterfly clasp digging in at all.