ScofieldReturns wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:27 am

Lavaine wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:24 pm

ScofieldReturns wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:45 pm Dang was set to buy the GMT...then saw the bezel was fixed. Why on earth would they do that?! CW has the best rotating bezel in the business. That just kills it for me

Because the already have a GMT watch with rotating bezel. It sounds like that's the one you want.

why do members on this board always have such a tendency to sound so patronizing

no, that is not the one i want. this watch is thinner with better power reserve. i want the same watch but with a rotating bezel, that would have been an insta buy

Good morning to you too, I've been on this forum for years and believe me if the members were at all Patronising, I would have been out of here.

I believe the fixed bezel is to keep the thickness and cost down, and to keep the watch as accessible as possible.

Regards Steve

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:38 am Whenever we contribute to these smoke clearing threads after a new introduction, a number of things become quickly apparent.

It always seems that whilst some people are completely over the moon with the new watches, and others are very disappointed and completely against them, there are always a few people who feel they didn’t get exactly what they wanted. I know that I have felt that on a number of occasions and thought that with the odd slight change, the watch would have been perfect.

However, I was quite amused (and apologies if I read this incorrectly) by the person who wanted a rotating bezel on the C63 auto, which would make it more like a diver, but didn’t like the C60 range (divers) because they looked too much like divers.

I guess two of the eternal truths here are that you can’t please everybody, and that some people are very difficult to please. I suppose if you could somehow synthesise those two elements, you would have the Golden Ticket.

My own take is that they have done a pretty good job this time.

I'm with you on this one Steve
My only addition is that, frankly, I can't believe some of the comments about price, especially for the C63 Sealander Elite.
What they have achieved and done is absolutely amazing while keeping the price at a sensible £1050 - £1280 (with a voucher)
...and for those that don't agree - go on, hunt around and try and find something equal to, or better, at that price - simply put - you won't!

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:38 am However, I was quite amused (and apologies if I read this incorrectly) by the person who wanted a rotating bezel on the C63 auto, which would make it more like a diver, but didn’t like the C60 range (divers) because they looked too much like divers.

Are you trying to imply that thickness is a prerequisite for a diver...?

I’m not trying to imply anything.

ScofieldReturns wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:27 am

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:38 am However, I was quite amused (and apologies if I read this incorrectly) by the person who wanted a rotating bezel on the C63 auto, which would make it more like a diver, but didn’t like the C60 range (divers) because they looked too much like divers.

Are you trying to imply that thickness is a prerequisite for a diver...?

The sat divers that I know are certainly not thick. To the contrary they are highly intelligent.

Neil

I was planning to purchase the C60 sapphire as my first CW.... Now suddenly the GMT comes on the market, panic. Both so different, just how much I want them both tho.

nbg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:32 am The sat divers that I know are certainly not thick. To the contrary they are highly intelligent.

Brilliant, Neil.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:29 am I’m not trying to imply anything.

ok, if you were referring to my post i had 3 issues with the c60 line:

1. it no longer existed in 38mm (so you would be implying that divers need to be larger)
2. it doesn't exist in white (so you would be implying divers can't have white dials)
3. it is too thick (so you would be implying divers need to be thick)

since you're "not implying anything", could you please translate to me how any of that means i don't like the look of the c60 diver line "because they look too much like divers"?

StrapMeister wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:56 am I'm with you on this one Steve
My only addition is that, frankly, I can't believe some of the comments about price, especially for the C63 Sealander Elite.
What they have achieved and done is absolutely amazing while keeping the price at a sensible £1050 - £1280 (with a voucher)
...and for those that don't agree - go on, hunt around and try and find something equal to, or better, at that price - simply put - you won't!

As I was one of the people making that comment about price, I'll answer.

In my experience, using Ti rather than steel shouldn't push the price up as much as it has, and I can't imagine using a COSC rated SW200 rather than the standard SW200-1 would push the price up that significantly (happy to be proven wrong on both those counts). The retractable crown I could live without if it saved a couple of hundred Pounds. (Feels a bit gimmicky and something else to go wrong)

I bought a Reise Resolute on Kickstarter last year which I will accept upfront won't have the same quality and finish, or be in the same class (I haven't actually seen it yet). It does only has an NH35, though it's also got a similar sandblast type dial, applied indices and also has a hardened titanium and cost <£300 with Ti bracelet. So in a way, that was my benchmark for my comment.

That said, I've had a night to think about it and I am strongly considering selling the Reise when I get home and buying the Elite as it's clearly the type of watch I wanted to add to my collection and I'd rather the higher finishing on the CW! (But then also I've been using my rotating bezel on my C6 multiple times daily recently, so perhaps I'll miss that!)

ScofieldReturns wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:36 am ok, if you were referring to my post...

I wasn’t. I was referring to someone else’s posts entirely.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:23 am I found that I was very quickly reading the orange hand simply from its dial position; you just understand the geometry, in the same way that we don’t need numbers on a 1-12 chapter ring.

I agree that internal 24h markings would make it easier.

I still think the fact that you're looking at both 12 and 24hr hands on the same dial would confuse things, but I'm very happy to take your word for it Steve.

I never tried setting 3 zones with any of the GMTs I owned. In fact, I can't remember using the GMT hand independently that often.
It was easier to rotate the bezel so the GMT hand would be pointing at the time I wanted.

...

Anyway, back to the C63s. I think CW have got all 3 of them spot on, including pricing.
We have to accept that the days of ceramic C60s on sale @ £350 are gone, but the watches are moving forward in line with the price jumps I feel.

CWs designs and quality are easily up there with Longines/Oris to name but a few, yet even the special models (ie. Elite) can be had for less than say, a standard Aquis.
It has to come to a point where we accept that the only thing warranting the increased prices of these aforementioned brands is their "heritage"?

My small take on the fixed 24 hour bezel is that I prefer it that way and very much like that watch. It is "the" GMT I would buy right now, although there is not really a spot for it in my current collection. For now.

The WEIRD thing for me is the Elite more-or-less lacking a crown is something to get used to. How does it appear "un-symmetrical" when in fact it is MORE symmetrical....? If I can get used to it, that is another that has got my attention having rather looked forward to it.
My view: CW has done a bang-up job with the C63. Being realistic, the value is there for sure for the level CW is at.
As ever, if everybody approved they'd have nothing at all.

Chocolate cake and hazelnuts.


If you were at a dinner party and were served chocolate cake for dessert, but you we're quite partial to having hazelnuts on your chocolate cake, you wouldn't get *indignant* or even *angry* about the lack of hazelnuts... You wouldn't see it as a personal affront that the host hadn't made dessert exactly the way you like it. After all, the host didn't make it just for you. And you certainly wouldn't turn your nose up and tell the host that it's inconceivable to you why they didn't add hazelnuts...

You'd probably appreciate the cake for what it is (chocolate cake), and either enjoy a slice or politely say no thank you.


Sorry for taking this thread so far off course!!!

^^ Oh no, now we can argue about the size of the piece of cake you get

Well it’s a big thumbs up from me and after a 7 year gap(I think!) since my last purchase from CW, an order has been placed for not one, but two new C63’s.
It’s been a long time coming, but delighted to finally add to the CW collection.