Deks wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:58 am They won't argue over the voucher and as JAFO said you could just return it and reorder using
the voucher

I was worried they may sell out! I called today and they will give me a £100 refund and also a number. Choosing a bigger one, my order was allocated 68 but asked for 101 means I will have to wait a few weeks longer. That must mean they are taking time over building them. Will get it for Christmas!!

Clach77 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:50 pm And a quick family photo.

No wonder I couldn’t get the Apex
Love the collection, I can only afford straps to change it up but yours seems a nice solution

I've been trying over the last couple of days to sort out my thoughts on this release and why it isn't resonating with me. There is no denying that many on the board are very excited. I'm not one of them. I think I was able to put my finger on it today when out for a run.

When it comes to watches I value function over form. Make no mistake, this is for me and not the only way to look at things. When it comes to the Concept, for me, it is an exercise in form which leaves me cold. Is it lighter? Not really. Thinner? No, actually thicker. New materials? No.

For those that value form over function this is a home run. There is no denying it.

Not every watch is for every person. For me personally, I wish they would have flexed technical muscle instead of design muscle but that just means I will need to wait it out. The tease of the C65 redesign might have something that gets my pulse going.

Congratulations to all that have snagged one of these and are excited to get it. It looks to meet expectations on that front.

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm For those that value form over function this is a home run. There is no denying it.

Not every watch is for every person.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the second statement there, I’m not quite convinced about the first one and I think I’m coming at it from a different direction. I see the SH21 and the way in which the watch is put together as brilliant technical achievements. As far as the form is concerned, yes it has got a lot of people excited and it is certainly a very striking watch.

I have to confess, though, I don’t like the look. Just my personal take. Solid dial for me every time.

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm …I think I was able to put my finger on it today when out for a run.

When it comes to watches I value function over form. …When it comes to the Concept, for me, it is an exercise in form which leaves me cold. Is it lighter? Not really. Thinner? No, actually thicker. New materials? No.

I get where you’re coming from and find it a completely valid observation. I think the watch is stunningly beautiful and a design marvel at a really compelling price. I can appreciate everything CW set out to do with this and celebrate the fact that they achieved it. But it’s not for me.

Being an LE and named Concept, I see this is a watch intended to showcase what CW is capable of. I see this (along with the C63 Elite) as a calling card that the company is looking to take things a little more upscale, so to speak, to start competing with the big dogs. And in that regard, I think they’ve succeeded!

Still, it’s not for me. But I don’t think I was ever the intended market.

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm I've been trying over the last couple of days to sort out my thoughts on this release and why it isn't resonating with me. There is no denying that many on the board are very excited. I'm not one of them. I think I was able to put my finger on it today when out for a run.

When it comes to watches I value function over form. Make no mistake, this is for me and not the only way to look at things. When it comes to the Concept, for me, it is an exercise in form which leaves me cold. Is it lighter? Not really. Thinner? No, actually thicker. New materials? No.

For those that value form over function this is a home run. There is no denying it.

Not every watch is for every person. For me personally, I wish they would have flexed technical muscle instead of design muscle but that just means I will need to wait it out. The tease of the C65 redesign might have something that gets my pulse going.

Congratulations to all that have snagged one of these and are excited to get it. It looks to meet expectations on that front.

Skeletonising a movement isn't easy and is an engineering challenge in its own right. It does leave the base architecture in place though. The improvements you suggest such as thinner, new materials and so on will probably have to wait for SH21 Mk II. How long this will take is anyone's guess but we know from the SH21 survey that they are at least thinking about (and probably) working on SH21 Mk II.
It is an exercise in form over function and a skeleton dial will never be as easy to read as a "full dial". I happen to like it but am happy to acknowledge it's not for everyone. In terms of new materials the use of forged carbon for a case (C63 Colchester) was interesting but not every watch can be a Super Compressor

Forgetting the price, I just don’t like it. I get that a lot of people will love it but there’s something about it that leaves me cold for some reason. I doubt I’d even take a punt at £500. It’s not the dial, that bezel just looks totally wrong to me. Plus, as much as I like blue and Orange I think a more subdued colour scheme would have worked better. Maybe it’s my tastes that have changed - I don’t look at many divers these days and think I’d want one, especially shiny ceramic bezel divers.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:18 pm

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm For those that value form over function this is a home run. There is no denying it.

Not every watch is for every person.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the second statement there, I’m not quite convinced about the first one and I think I’m coming at it from a different direction. I see the SH21 and the way in which the watch is put together as brilliant technical achievements. As far as the form is concerned, yes it has got a lot of people excited and it is certainly a very striking watch.

I have to confess, though, I don’t like the look. Just my personal take. Solid dial for me every time.

This is exactly what I mean. I am looking at esthetics being an extension of form. Being able to see the movement is one of the highest evolutions of form. The SH21 is a technical achievement but one that has already been achieved in previous incarnations. This particular version doesn't do anything to push it further. Skeleton dials from any company don't excite me as I see it as complication for complication's sake and doesn't do anything for the function.

jkbarnes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:33 pm

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm …I think I was able to put my finger on it today when out for a run.

When it comes to watches I value function over form. …When it comes to the Concept, for me, it is an exercise in form which leaves me cold. Is it lighter? Not really. Thinner? No, actually thicker. New materials? No.

I get where you’re coming from and find it a completely valid observation. I think the watch is stunningly beautiful and a design marvel at a really compelling price. I can appreciate everything CW set out to do with this and celebrate the fact that they achieved it. But it’s not for me.

Being an LE and named Concept, I see this is a watch intended to showcase what CW is capable of. I see this (along with the C63 Elite) as a calling card that the company is looking to take things a little more upscale, so to speak, to start competing with the big dogs. And in that regard, I think they’ve succeeded!

Still, it’s not for me. But I don’t think I was ever the intended market.

As I stated above, I see this as complication for complications sake and not moving anything forward. Still an achievement but not the type I would loo for.

albionphoto wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:47 pm

rkovars wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:02 pm I've been trying over the last couple of days to sort out my thoughts on this release and why it isn't resonating with me. There is no denying that many on the board are very excited. I'm not one of them. I think I was able to put my finger on it today when out for a run.

When it comes to watches I value function over form. Make no mistake, this is for me and not the only way to look at things. When it comes to the Concept, for me, it is an exercise in form which leaves me cold. Is it lighter? Not really. Thinner? No, actually thicker. New materials? No.

For those that value form over function this is a home run. There is no denying it.

Not every watch is for every person. For me personally, I wish they would have flexed technical muscle instead of design muscle but that just means I will need to wait it out. The tease of the C65 redesign might have something that gets my pulse going.

Congratulations to all that have snagged one of these and are excited to get it. It looks to meet expectations on that front.

Skeletonising a movement isn't easy and is an engineering challenge in its own right. It does leave the base architecture in place though. The improvements you suggest such as thinner, new materials and so on will probably have to wait for SH21 Mk II. How long this will take is anyone's guess but we know from the SH21 survey that they are at least thinking about (and probably) working on SH21 Mk II.
It is an exercise in form over function and a skeleton dial will never be as easy to read as a "full dial". I happen to like it but am happy to acknowledge it's not for everyone. In terms of new materials the use of forged carbon for a case (C63 Colchester) was interesting but not every watch can be a Super Compressor

I get that it is difficult but it is complication for complications sake. Not moving the product forward in a direction that I would value. The Colchester is far more interesting to me not only for the carbon case but there was some thought put into what would be useful to someone in the unit. It isn't a branded diver for instance. The recessed crown makes sense. No crown to get caught on gear and webbing. Carbon fiber to make it as light as possible.

TigerChris wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:00 pm Forgetting the price, I just don’t like it. I get that a lot of people will love it but there’s something about it that leaves me cold for some reason. I doubt I’d even take a punt at £500. It’s not the dial, that bezel just looks totally wrong to me. Plus, as much as I like blue and Orange I think a more subdued colour scheme would have worked better. Maybe it’s my tastes that have changed - I don’t look at many divers these days and think I’d want one, especially shiny ceramic bezel divers.

I am pretty much in this camp too. I find the standard C60 to 'blingy' for my taste. I think the black Dartmouth would look much better with gun metal hands and indices too. But I can understand why they did what they did with the colors. It is CWs concept car so to speak and you want to be able to identify it at a glance. There is no mistaking where it came from with the color scheme that they used. They also want it to be loud and pop. You don't want your flagship piece to be subdued.

Whilst I wouldn't buy one myself, other choices would come before it, I think it's great. A lovely marriage of form, function and innovation. It strikes me as a lot of watch for the money. Given that the sale of all 210 units will generate under a €1,000,000. Once you take the development costs, materials, labour (general watchmaking and specialist), advertising etc, I see this as being more a labour of love than a cash cow for CW. It's perhaps a chance to show how far they've come and how serious they wish to be taken.

Des

strapline wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:17 pm It's perhaps a chance to show how far they've come and how serious they wish to be taken.

Des

This is what it is about. The work and art is in the skeletoniszation of the movement and the hours of hand finishing that went into each watch as well as expanding the lume possibilities. Remember also the use of the the new material Globolight XP©, "a ground-breaking luminous ceramic material, created by Xenoprint."

This is the great thing about our love for watches we all see and like things that others don't. I personally love what I have seen of the C60 concept. I haven't worn it on my wrist but I'm really tempted to own this beauty. I'm a very broken person in real life and I know this watch would bring me great joy

I showed my wife the pictures in the new Loupe magazine and we both thought ok that's cool but looks hard to read but the real life pictures make it look much better!

It's not for me as I've just spent similar on something else and think I would struggle with being able to check the time at a glance but it is a very cool looking piece and I hope the people who get one really enjoy it. I think it would spend more time off the wrist in my hands as I'd want to keep looking at all the details!

strapline wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:17 pm Given that the sale of all 210 units will generate under a €1,000,000. Once you take the development costs, materials, labour (general watchmaking and specialist), advertising etc, I see this as being more a labour of love than a cash cow for CW. It's perhaps a chance to show how far they've come and how serious they wish to be taken.

Des

This watch is getting CW a huge amount of publicity in the watch world, all of it good as far as I have seen and a reputation 'bump' to brand value with it. I expect to see more high value models in the future, I also expect to see the price of CW's range start to increase as well, as there reputation and brand awareness grows.
I'm not a fan of skeleton watches but I do think it is a great looking piece, it might even be a collectors item one day

Kip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:11 pm

strapline wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:17 pm It's perhaps a chance to show how far they've come and how serious they wish to be taken.

Des

This is what it is about. The work and art is in the skeletoniszation of the movement and the hours of hand finishing that went into each watch as well as expanding the lume possibilities. Remember also the use of the the new material Globolight XP©, "a ground-breaking luminous ceramic material, created by Xenoprint."

I totally agree. This is a showcase. I’m unlikely to ever see one in real life which is a pity - I truly believe that time, passion and hand-craft spent on a project gives the final project a quality and light that it’s impossible to achieve with machining only. I’d love to lay my eyes on those hand-finished edges!

meinberg wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:38 am

strapline wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:17 pm Given that the sale of all 210 units will generate under a €1,000,000. Once you take the development costs, materials, labour (general watchmaking and specialist), advertising etc, I see this as being more a labour of love than a cash cow for CW. It's perhaps a chance to show how far they've come and how serious they wish to be taken.

Des

This watch is getting CW a huge amount of publicity in the watch world, all of it good as far as I have seen and a reputation 'bump' to brand value with it. I expect to see more high value models in the future, I also expect to see the price of CW's range start to increase as well, as there reputation and brand awareness grows.
I'm not a fan of skeleton watches but I do think it is a great looking piece, it might even be a collectors item one day

Could this be the very epitome of a marmite watch then? The greatest majority of opinions seem to be strongly for or agin the C60 Concept with not many "slightly positive" or "slightly dislike"? I need to remind myself that Gerald Ratner broke the mould on all publicity being good publicity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ra ... earrings".

By the way, is the forum going to attempt to build a rollcall of owners as had been done in the dim and distant past or is there a data protection issue these days?

I've selected a rather high case number so I expect to receive mine in 2022.