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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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MileyCyrus wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:20 pm
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MileyCyrus wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:28 pm In AUD these start at $5,000, personally I can’t fathom spending that much on something for an off the rack movement.
I have a blue BB58 which is a similar price to this. Great watch, love it.
But there is a lot more in the complication here than the stepping up of the movement. Very different beasts bought for very different reasons.
You’re right, one if you want to be reminded when it’s the top of the hour. The other is you want a robust, COSC, in house 70 hr reserve movement.

It dings once an hour folks. Let’s not kid ourselves here, the reason no one does it is because it’s a useless complication. It’s a nice watch at 3k and because it dings it’s now 5k, ok sure.


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I think you have missed the point of this and any other watch that has elaborate complications whether fully practical or not. It is obvious that you have no use for nor see the value in the craftsmanship that has gone into the development of this watch or any other complex complication. That is quite alright and you are entitled to your opinion and desires.

If you want a watch that will simply tell the time go buy a McDonald's Happy Meal with a free watch. It will tell you time and probably give you a 2 year battery life Can't get more basic than that. If you want something a bit more fashionable that includes a complication whether it be a date, day date (you can always use a calendar), alarm, chronograph, tourbillion or perhaps even a singing bird than you will pay more.

This is not an "off the rack movement". Yes the base is an SW200, but a heavily modified CWJJ01 module has been adapted to create the FS01 module by remanufacturing 50+ parts and has been to it. All changes to any movement whether Sellita, ETA or in house movements come at a cost. CW could have made these COSC, but chose not to do so to keep the watch more affordable.

Many cost factors go into the price of a watch. R + D plus case materials, design, overhead, straps, overhead etc. You choose what you like at a price point you feel comfortable with. Obviously the C1 Bel Canto is not for you. Just compare apples to apples.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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MileyCyrus wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:16 pm Considering the Tudor is using an in house COSC movement in the BB line and it has a power reserve twice as long.

Yes it is exponentially better, and if you think otherwise you are lying to yourself.


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It's fine to say, "the Bel Canto is not my thing, I find these chime complications silly and wouldn't pay that much for such a watch".

But if you wish to compare 2 watches objectively to say which is "better" for the price, you can't compare apples (tool/sport/dive watches) with oranges (watches with modern-industrial, semi-skeletonised, dial-side components, plus sound-emitting complications). That just does not make sense at all. They occupy completely different spots on the watch spectrum so your opinion will depend on what you personally are looking to add to your watch collection.

You forget that some of those who want the BC may already have the BB you are talking about - they now want something different that has interested them, not yet another BB.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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@kip @asqwerth

I think those points are both correct, which is why I thought I would reflect and consider before commenting. I was surprised at the rapid sell outs of both colours, and with the amazing response from reviewers, especially the Watchfinder guy, whose name escapes tom. It's not Tom, as Tom is his foil in the cosy chats, but I rarely listen to those. Anyway, it's great for CW that there has been this favourable response. I had time to buy both the blue or the green (rather less time than I thought, but I did have time), but decided it's not for me. Warmest congratulations to those who were entranced by the Bel Canto. :D

I think the point being made on WF isn't that the Bel Canto is priced similarly to any particular Tudor (for instance). It was more that this watch produced by Tudor, Cartier, JLC or any other reputable maison would have been priced several times higher.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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NationOfLaws wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:32 pm It's almost as if getting $1M in revenue in one day was a massive motivator to trying to see if lightning can strike twice.
Ignore me. NationOfLaws is right. According to Guy in another post they will book the revenue in one day as their T&Cs have changed. I guess their financial statement after the Bel Canto Blue and Green is looking very rosy.

The revenue will be spread out over the delivery period since they don't charge until just before despatch. With the launch of the green Bel Canto and deliveries of the Blue stretching out until March 2023 revenue from the blue will stretch until then. Still, it must be nice to know that they have all that income rolling in for the next four months.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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I think the guy in this youtube video



does a better job of comparing oranges to oranges. See from 10:06 where he compares the price of BC with the prices of other hour chime watches.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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SlayedDreamer wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:28 pm Yikes I missed out on the blue because i was trying to get some money in place for it, and I missed the green today because i was sleeping. A little advance warning before the green drop would have been preferable.
Why is it so hard to give this company my money?
Get on the wait list. There are bound to be some people who drop out for the second and third batches of the blue and the green isn't scheduled to start delivery until July next year. You might get lucky and if you really want one it's worth a try. Email Matthew.Sewell@christoherward.com. He's the customer service manager and I'm sure he has a list...
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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albionphoto wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:31 pm
NationOfLaws wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:32 pm It's almost as if getting $1M in revenue in one day was a massive motivator to trying to see if lightning can strike twice.
The revenue will be spread out over the delivery period since they don't charge until just before despatch. With the launch of the green Bel Canto and deliveries of the Blue stretching out until March 2023 revenue from the blue will stretch until then. Still, it must be nice to know that they have all that income rolling in for the next four months.
I think they charge upon pre-order now.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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hsukirk wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 pm
albionphoto wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:31 pm
NationOfLaws wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:32 pm It's almost as if getting $1M in revenue in one day was a massive motivator to trying to see if lightning can strike twice.
The revenue will be spread out over the delivery period since they don't charge until just before despatch. With the launch of the green Bel Canto and deliveries of the Blue stretching out until March 2023 revenue from the blue will stretch until then. Still, it must be nice to know that they have all that income rolling in for the next four months.
I think they charge upon pre-order now.
Indeed they do. I corrected my earlier post.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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It's interesting and a bit strange to me that blue and green, two of the most popular colours, were chosen for LEs. Does this suggest that there will never be a standard model, or just that it will be black or white? I also wonder what, if any, other colours will be released as LEs though I guess this would be a closely guarded secret so people don't want to cancel their blue one for another as yet unannounced colour.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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I’ve gong on the waiting list for one. They look amazing
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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I’d like to raise my old point about legibility, white hands on white dial etc. Please don’t roll your eyes :D

No one seems to have mentioned (perhaps a case of Emporer’s New Clothes) the fact that at certain times the hands will disappear when aligned with the silver bars (not sure what to call them) across the dial.

At this price point, it would certainly be a concern for me.

Anyone else agree, if not, feel free to shoot me down in flames! I can take it.
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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asqwerth wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:47 pm @JAFO
I think the guy in this youtube video



does a better job of comparing oranges to oranges. See from 10:06 where he compares the price of BC with the prices of other hour chime watches.
Thanks for posting this asquerth; that's Brian aka @theemaadhatter of this Forum, who's an Admin on the CWE Facebook Group as well.

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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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Thanks for the link, guys and girls. I didn't realise the complication was that expensive. When the WF guy said other brands were multiples more expensive, he really wasn't joking, was he?
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:38 pm
Thanks for posting this asquerth; that's Brian aka @theemaadhatter of this Forum, who's an Admin on the CWE Facebook Group as well.

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I had no idea he was a forum member!
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Re: C1 Bel Canto (Green)

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TheBeatles wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:36 pm I’d like to raise my old point about legibility, white hands on white dial etc. Please don’t roll your eyes :D

No one seems to have mentioned (perhaps a case of Emporer’s New Clothes) the fact that at certain times the hands will disappear when aligned with the silver bars (not sure what to call them) across the dial.

At this price point, it would certainly be a concern for me.

Anyone else agree, if not, feel free to shoot me down in flames! I can take it.
I quite agree with you about legibility. There will be times when this won't be the most legible dial. I did wonder if blued hands might have been appropriate. I'm not sure that this is going to be a factor though. I don't think this is a daily driver for anyone. Certainly not for me. It's a special wear piece. Sure I'm going to wear it as a daily driver once in a while (well a few days in a row at most and certainly not for gardening) but I'm not going to worry about legibility. At this price point I feel like you're buying the whole aesthetic and so I'm good. Now, if this was a $4,000 dive watch with that dial then there would be quite a different conversation going on.
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