suicidal_orange wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:01 pm

asqwerth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:47 pm

suicidal_orange wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:13 pm... I'm tempted to see if I can think of 99 variations between price, style, hands, case size and colour to max out the poll

Polls are not going to work, nor a democracy. You would have to have a take-it-or-leave-it stance.

There would be just one poll where people pick all the options they would potentially buy, just the below would make 24 options:

Purple, burgundy, brown
Trident 300, Trident Pro, Sealander 36, Sealander 40
GMT, Auto

Any option with less than 75 votes gets dropped (to allow for the inevitable "I don't like that shade of purple" drop-outs) while the remainder are designed by someone and then everyone can commit to buying any/all which they would. The one with most buyers is what the forum majority wanted, is it not?

Things work so simply in my mind

The way to make a compromise watch that truly nobody would like is to create a sequential series of polls for each possible decision, starting with the model. Then a poll for the dial color, exhibition or closed back, bracelet or strap, hombre or sunburst or matte or pattern, bronze or steel, gmt or no, date or no.

Everyone would hate the process, nobody would want the watch. It would tear the forums asunder. It’d be really funny to watch.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:56 pm
The way to make a compromise watch that truly nobody would like is to create a sequential series of polls for each possible decision, starting with the model. Then a poll for the dial color, exhibition or closed back, bracelet or strap, hombre or sunburst or matte or pattern, bronze or steel, gmt or no, date or no.

Everyone would hate the process, nobody would want the watch. It would tear the forums asunder. It’d be really funny to watch.

You obviously weren’t around for the last attempt

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:34 am

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:56 pm
The way to make a compromise watch that truly nobody would like is to create a sequential series of polls for each possible decision, starting with the model. Then a poll for the dial color, exhibition or closed back, bracelet or strap, hombre or sunburst or matte or pattern, bronze or steel, gmt or no, date or no.

Everyone would hate the process, nobody would want the watch. It would tear the forums asunder. It’d be really funny to watch.

You obviously weren’t around for the last attempt

I wasn’t. Say more.

jkbarnes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:43 pm

mvlow wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:39 pm If CW would do that exact same color dial with the slightly textured look, but without the scratches it would be hot. I would be tempted to buy a general release C63 Sealander with that dial color and texture. I've never been a fan of the scratches for exactly the reason you said.

I’m right with you guys! The issue for me with the ombré dials is that they look damaged, not textured. This one looks textured.

I'm going to have to lend you mine at some point for a month or so. You definitely need to see one in the flesh. It doesn't look damaged at all.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:22 am

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:34 am

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:56 pmThe way to make a compromise watch that truly nobody would like is to create a sequential series of polls for each possible decision, starting with the model.
...
Everyone would hate the process, nobody would want the watch. It would tear the forums asunder. It’d be really funny to watch.

You obviously weren’t around for the last attempt

I wasn’t. Say more.

There's a whole subforum dedicated to each forum LE where this is exactly what happened, this was the last.

suicidal_orange wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:29 pm

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:22 am

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:34 amYou obviously weren’t around for the last attempt

I wasn’t. Say more.

There's a whole subforum dedicated to each forum LE where this is exactly what happened, this was the last.

Huh well that probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:34 pm

suicidal_orange wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:29 pm

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:22 amI wasn’t. Say more.

There's a whole subforum dedicated to each forum LE where this is exactly what happened, this was the last.

Huh well that probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

Well, that wasn’t exactly the most recent attempt…

Settle in for a long and disappointing read, if you dare.

general-discussion/fle-8-design-submiss ... le#p790772

general-discussion/fle-8-design-vote-2- ... le#p795412

general-discussion/fle-8-design-vote-t5 ... it=FLE%208

And actually there are several other threads for the 2019 FLE, which didn’t materialize. These are the first few that came up in the search. I wasn’t around for it, but I thought it was interesting reading.

ajax87 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:52 pmAnd actually there are several other threads for the 2019 FLE, which didn’t materialize.

So only a couple of years ago. Not long enough for things to have changed enough to make it worth trying again

TheBeatles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm All these Special/Limited Editions that look amazing, and the Forum can’t agree on one for us. Ironic, isn’t it?

Too many cooks comes to mind.

Richard D wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:58 am Too many cooks comes to mind.

Meandering hypothesis time. I certainly don’t disagree but if we flip the idea a little we discover, perhaps unsurprisingly, that you can’t please everyone. If I designed a watch I would like, I guarantee that a lot of forum members would not like it. And vice-versa, certainly.

Maybe I should design one. Small rectangular hand-winder with rose gold case, black dial, Roman numerals and no lume, anyone? Aye there’s the rub. I can see some members throwing up their hands in horror, just as I would do if someone offered up a big bronze diver with a scratched green dial.

What’s the solution? Who knows? Allowing everyone to vote on everything didn’t work.

Other groups seem to make it work. There’s a balance, I think, between open discussion leading to a design by committee that nobody likes and a limited group developing something at least some people would like.

I think the first question one should ask is: if a limited edition watch was offered and you liked it, would you buy it? If there isn’t 2x-3x critical mass then there’s no need to go through a design process.

NationOfLaws wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:09 pm I think the first question one should ask is: if a limited edition watch was offered and you liked it, would you buy it?

A fair question. It does present certain difficulties for people with established and stable collections. I would consider buying it if it fulfilled any wish list criteria I might have, and as long as it didn’t duplicate or render redundant something I already had. However, it is not something I would want commit to from the outset.

That, I believe was a problem in 2019. People went along with the idea in theory until some feature or other that they didn’t like was agreed upon, at which point they dropped out, as I did in 2017 and 2019. 2015 came down to a straight vote between two almost complete designs which were in many ways polar opposites. I ended up buying the one that won, but wouldn’t have touched the other with a barge pole.

I actually worked on the commission group for 2013 and ended up having to help design, discuss and vote on a watch I really didn’t like. Needless to say I never bought the watch I had helped to work on.

I’m not saying that it couldn’t and shouldn’t happen, I am simply highlighting some of the problems inherent in whichever route one chooses to go down. As I said above, you can’t please everyone.

Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:21 am What’s the solution?

Enjoy what you have.

^^^ Exactly what I intend to do.