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akazi wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:32 pm
robert75 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:55 am
akazi wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:24 pm I'm still waiting for my green bel canto ordered in November 2023 for June 2024 delivery. Delayed until mid August but I am travelling from until the end of Aug so it won't be until Sept till I get it. Paid in full. Trying to remain patient as I am still excited!
You ordered it in November 2023?
LOL Nov 2022 (typo)
Booo!

I was hoping you had a delorean :D :D
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Grand Seiko wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:00 pm
NigelS wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:03 am Could delays - and some quality issues - be because CW have achieved a very laudable 300% growth in turnover in the last four years, but have only increased staffing levels by 30%?? Everyone's working their butts off back at base!
As far as I can tell, CW is not a watch maker, they are a design shop and marketing entity.
The issue has been described as strong demand, challenges with manufacturing/quality in general, time required for third parties to hire and train additional staff
Perhaps some of the pressure is being caused by CW not having the right/enough people to oversee their vendors.
What I don't like the most in this is the continuous barrage of email marketing coming from CW.
I have no interest in their other products.
I just want CW to focus on getting the nice folks here, their watches.

Spytap provided a very clear snapshot of his buyer circumstance (very much resonated with me) and it does not reflect well on CW.
The “barrage of email marketing” is is something I want to put a bullet on.

As a recap, I ordered by BC in December, was given a June delivery date in January, was told “The manufacturing process of your Bel Canto will commence in March with assembly, QC and final regulation happening in May”, and then heard nothing until I emailed in mid-May and was told “it’s still on track for June.” The second to last day in June, I was told “Sorry, we’re not able to make the original date. Stand by for an updated delivery date.” Which turned out to be October, four months delayed from the date that six weeks earlier I was told wouldn’t be a problem.

There is no way they didn’t know they weren’t going to hit that June delivery date until June 29th. Especially with the timeline of production they laid out. They likely already knew back in May when I emailed that June was out of the question. But they did launch several big watches around then. So I’m/we’re getting a continual set of marketing emails about new products, new products, buy this, check this out, we’re so proud of this brand new thing - but the thing from (now) nine months ago you put money on…well, we can’t deliver that. But rest assured - put more money into these new things, and that’ll be a different experience, promise.

It really does feel like no one is considering the actual customer experience over there, just the sales experience. I’ve worked in areas where complicated expectations need to be managed and met, and this just isn’t how I would handle this. It looks *really really bad* to obviously hold back on negative news so it doesn’t affect your shiny new news. It looks like you’re hiding something - because you kind of are. Your existing customers should be informed first not last and then goodwill created there, before attempting to market and add new customers.

It’s not just that we weren’t kept in the loop - it’s that we were deliberately left out of the loop (and maybe borderline mislead.) And because of this deficit of information, it appears that it was done so as to not interfere with a new product launch when the prior product launch remains still unfulfilled. There needs to be a higher focus on the customer that extends beyond the marketing and sales of new products, but every new product launch (with an associated huge marketing and release campaign) that happens while we remain waiting in an information vacuum reduces any remaining brand affinity and makes it much, much less likely that we’ll ever become repeat customers - let alone the high-affinity fans who add their own word of mouth recommendations to expand the brand.
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I sympathise with you,Spytap.You have 2 options,either put up with it and wait and hope no more delays occur,or walk away.I chose the latter at the end of June.
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Just curious, has anyone switched to the Meistersinger Bel hora considering the time delay? I know the retail price is higher but you can get at least a 15% discount without even asking which puts the price not too distant from the CW one.
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robert75 wrote:Just curious, has anyone switched to the Meistersinger Bel hora considering the time delay? I know the retail price is higher but you can get at least a 15% discount without even asking which puts the price not too distant from the CW one.
I haven't even considered it.
Very different watches, the only thing they have in common is the hour chime complication, they have nothing else in common.
I also think the Bel Canto looks far more well made and expensive than the Meistersinger, irregardless of retail price.
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en_nissen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:58 pm
robert75 wrote:Just curious, has anyone switched to the Meistersinger Bel hora considering the time delay? I know the retail price is higher but you can get at least a 15% discount without even asking which puts the price not too distant from the CW one.
I haven't even considered it.
Very different watches, the only thing they have in common is the hour chime complication, they have nothing else in common.
I also think the Bel Canto looks far more well made and expensive than the Meistersinger, irregardless of retail price.
And being partner companies, what colour do you have on order?

By the way, you still enjoying the Ophion Velos? Never did get around to buying one.
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robert75 wrote:
en_nissen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:58 pm
robert75 wrote:Just curious, has anyone switched to the Meistersinger Bel hora considering the time delay? I know the retail price is higher but you can get at least a 15% discount without even asking which puts the price not too distant from the CW one.
I haven't even considered it.
Very different watches, the only thing they have in common is the hour chime complication, they have nothing else in common.
I also think the Bel Canto looks far more well made and expensive than the Meistersinger, irregardless of retail price.
And being partner companies, what colour do you have on order?

By the way, you still enjoying the Ophion Velos? Never did get around to buying one.
One company being a supplier to the other isn't something I see as having something in common, but maybe that's just me. Especially considering that the chime is not the same on the Meistersinger and the Bel Canto.

I have a purple on order, but I was slow to decide, so it seems it wouldn't get here before April 2024 with the delay.

And yes, still enjoying my Ophion Velos immensely! Definitely a keeper, it's a wonderful watch all around.
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en_nissen wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:40 am
robert75 wrote:
en_nissen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:58 pm I haven't even considered it.
Very different watches, the only thing they have in common is the hour chime complication, they have nothing else in common.
I also think the Bel Canto looks far more well made and expensive than the Meistersinger, irregardless of retail price.
And being partner companies, what colour do you have on order?

By the way, you still enjoying the Ophion Velos? Never did get around to buying one.
One company being a supplier to the other isn't something I see as having something in common, but maybe that's just me. Especially considering that the chime is not the same on the Meistersinger and the Bel Canto.

I have a purple on order, but I was slow to decide, so it seems it wouldn't get here before April 2024 with the delay.

And yes, still enjoying my Ophion Velos immensely! Definitely a keeper, it's a wonderful watch all around.
Not simply a “supplier”. CW have supported MS in the past also.
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robert75 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:51 am Not simply a “supplier”. CW have supported MS in the past also.
I bought my MeisterSinger Metris through the CW site during the first lockdown in 2020. It was a good offer, too. The watch still came direct from Germany, though.
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Spytap wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:57 pm
An Emira deposit was $1000 with no finalized price - you were paying for the opportunity to order, with the deposit being deducted from the eventual total. Bel Cantos had a final price that you were paying a percentage of agreed upon total. This isn’t some favor they’re granting - CW cannot change the terms of your contract after payment has been accepted.

Not so in UK. The price was fixed for early depositors, and promised as such by Lotus' CEO.

CW are behaving very honourably.
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The watches@ Bel Canto appears to be out in the wild.

Seen this evening, a Reel posted on Instagram - sorry but link deleted as it wasn't going to the correct Reel; which I'm now trying to find again.

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And there will be a special edition Bel Canto next year for the Alliance show in March. No idea of the number that will be available or what the design will be but, if you want one the waiting list is apparently open and filling up. I'm not sure if you have to be a member of the Alliance or not. This was mentioned in the Scottish watches podcast last week.
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My June build is ready for final payment and 2 day delivery.

“We hope you’re excited about your order of the C1 Bel Canto.

The good news is that your watch is here and ready to be despatched. We just need you to pay the outstanding balance before we can send it to you.

The final payment must be in the currency the deposit was paid in. The email and password must also be the same as those used when you paid the deposit. However, you can pay using a different payment method or debit/credit card.

Once payment is received, your watch will be shipped in two working days. Where applicable, tax is calculated at checkout, and duties are covered by us.

You can make some changes to your order. You can change your strap or bracelet – though not the watch head. Resizing is also available,
though engraving is not.

Other products may be added to your order, but you must add the Bel Canto
to your basket before going elsewhere on the site. If you don’t do this,
you’ll need to return to the original link to find your Bel Canto.

If you have any questions, email bel.canto@christopherward.co.uk

No apology and no previous update other than saying it would be late🙄🤷‍♂️
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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:00 am The watches@ Bel Canto appears to be out in the wild.

Seen this evening, a Reel posted on Instagram - sorry but link deleted as it wasn't going to the correct Reel; which I'm now trying to find again.

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There is this on Reddit ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/commen ... lue_at_3k/
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^^^^ That's the one, Ryan.

Good find. Thanks.

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