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Spytap wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:34 pm Yes, as I wore it more often (I stopped treating it as a shiny new occasion watch, and started just wearing it every day) the accuracy improved. As far as dial legibility, it's perfectly fine for me (unless it's a dark room), but other folks I've showed it to had a hard time reading it. So I'd say it's a personal thing you may have to judge for yourself. But I can read it at a glance pretty easily.
As mentioned in my earlier post, all my watches live on a winder, and all maintain great accuracy... the worst being the Super Compressor, which gains 5 secs per day now.

I think being continuously running and having the mainspring maintained at a constant "almost" full wind, has a lot to do with that 8)

There have been and will continue to be arguments about whether watches should be left on winders, but I use a good one which rests the watch for 12 hours and then winds only to maintain the current mainspring wind, so it's about as gentle as possible. For me it's about being able to pick the watch I want to wear and it's ready to go :thumbup:

I would also expect that if you wear the watch through the day, let it rest overnight and then wear again, your accuracy should likely improve too :D
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zagado26 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:21 pm .....the already long waiting time when placing the order, which is unfortunately not respected.
.....the accuracy, which at least seems to me to leave something to be desired. One forum member talked about 15 seconds a day, another 1 minute in 5 weeks........
......Last but not least, another member of the forum presented a video where it was seen that the chime does not start at a fixed time but about 30 seconds earlier.
I sadly cannot advise re dial colours but the accuracy could certainly be better at this price range. Saying all that, mine were probably +1 min over 2 weeks (still within movement specfication & I haev no desire to regulate myself). The hour strike seems timely in my experince but again it's pretty difficult to determine for certain due to lack of secs hand.
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hsukirk wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:44 pm Saying all that, mine were probably +1 min over 2 weeks (still within movement specfication)
A shade over +4 s/d. Chronometer timekeeping. How accurate do you guys want it?
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Yep - that's the flip side of all of this. As much as I love the watch, the process of getting it doesn't line up with the price. I would expect better customer service from a Starbucks, if I'm being honest. A four month delivery time turned into eight and then twelve months for me, and I was one of the quick ones. Some folks who ordered the same day as me are still waiting 14 months later (while "special" orders that began in March are delivered four months later as promised.) And CW barely acknowledges the issue, let alone offers anything of contrition or apology. That - not the watch, but the customer experience from ordering to delivery - is what will make this my one and done with the brand.
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Good evening,
After reading about everything there was to read, after watching enough video presentations and after learning what I was interested in from you (for which I thank you) I decided to order a C1 Bel Canto Cielo Automatic Bader Bracelet.
And because the pessimist is a well-informed optimist, obviously I don't expect the delivery date to be the end of September 2024, as stated on the website.
Taking into account the experience of others, perhaps February 2025 would seem to me to be a term closer to reality.
This is so that the waiting doesn't hurt so much.
Until then I will enjoy the other watches in my collection, not least the Vulcain Cricket which was the first watch with a complication I bought (mechanical alarm).
See you soon!
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zagado26 wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:50 pm Good evening,
After reading about everything there was to read, after watching enough video presentations and after learning what I was interested in from you (for which I thank you) I decided to order a C1 Bel Canto Cielo Automatic Bader Bracelet.
And because the pessimist is a well-informed optimist, obviously I don't expect the delivery date to be the end of September 2024, as stated on the website.
Taking into account the experience of others, perhaps February 2025 would seem to me to be a term closer to reality.
This is so that the waiting doesn't hurt so much.
Until then I will enjoy the other watches in my collection, not least the Vulcain Cricket which was the first watch with a complication I bought (mechanical alarm).
See you soon!
There are few pieces up on Chrono24 for sale, close to retail, surely with some room to negotiate also. Considering these are not moving much, if you are in hurry, you can get those within few days..
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Here is a video of a collector who has a killer collection of Moser, and is very positive of CW
He included his Viola Bel Canto for the discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKAGsrYBlMk
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Here we go again :D !

After 4 from 6 messages about the production process of Bel Canto I received the following email today:

"Dear ...,

I hope this finds you well.

I am writing to advise you of a delay in the delivery date of your new Bel Canto. Instead of the original date promised End of September 2024, we are now expecting to be able to ship your watch by the End of November 2024.

We have rejected a recent batch of gongs (the semi-circular piece of steel the hammer strikes to create the chime) intended for your watch, for small oil stains. Many people may not have noticed as the stains were often hidden on the underside of the gong but we wouldn’t ever compromise the quality of any watch, never mind one as beautiful and important as the Bel Canto.

Please accept my sincere apologies for this delay but I am confident that when you receive your watch you will believe the wait to be worthwhile as you will be in possession of one of the great watches of the last decade – even if I say so myself!

Yours sincerely,

Mike France"

The thing with the gong is something new (at least for me), until now I only knew about problems with the dial!

And this is how the one-year term that I predicted (February 2025) is starting to come closer to reality.
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I received the same email today, although my dates were moving from May 2024 to the end of July 2024. Ah, well.
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Out of interest, what is the rough cadence of the 6 emails? I placed an order back in late March/early April of this year for delivery November this year (not holding my breath) and haven’t received anything
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kev017 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 5:45 pm Out of interest, what is the rough cadence of the 6 emails? I placed an order back in late March/early April of this year for delivery November this year (not holding my breath) and haven’t received anything
The order was placed on February 12 and I received the emails on February 28, March 19, April 8 and April 28.
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zagado26 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:42 pm Here we go again :D !

After 4 from 6 messages about the production process of Bel Canto I received the following email today:

"Dear ...,

I hope this finds you well.

I am writing to advise you of a delay in the delivery date of your new Bel Canto. Instead of the original date promised End of September 2024, we are now expecting to be able to ship your watch by the End of November 2024.

We have rejected a recent batch of gongs (the semi-circular piece of steel the hammer strikes to create the chime) intended for your watch, for small oil stains. Many people may not have noticed as the stains were often hidden on the underside of the gong but we wouldn’t ever compromise the quality of any watch, never mind one as beautiful and important as the Bel Canto.

Please accept my sincere apologies for this delay but I am confident that when you receive your watch you will believe the wait to be worthwhile as you will be in possession of one of the great watches of the last decade – even if I say so myself!

Yours sincerely,

Mike France"

The thing with the gong is something new (at least for me), until now I only knew about problems with the dial!

And this is how the one-year term that I predicted (February 2025) is starting to come closer to reality.
Sorry that you received this delay message
At least the mention of the gong issue is a step toward transparency
Also clear that Mr France could use an editor who could guide away from content like one of the great watches of the last decade, etc.
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zagado26 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:42 pm Here we go again :D !

After 4 from 6 messages about the production process of Bel Canto I received the following email today:

"Dear ...,

I hope this finds you well.

I am writing to advise you of a delay in the delivery date of your new Bel Canto. Instead of the original date promised End of September 2024, we are now expecting to be able to ship your watch by the End of November 2024.

We have rejected a recent batch of gongs (the semi-circular piece of steel the hammer strikes to create the chime) intended for your watch, for small oil stains. Many people may not have noticed as the stains were often hidden on the underside of the gong but we wouldn’t ever compromise the quality of any watch, never mind one as beautiful and important as the Bel Canto.

Please accept my sincere apologies for this delay but I am confident that when you receive your watch you will believe the wait to be worthwhile as you will be in possession of one of the great watches of the last decade – even if I say so myself!

Yours sincerely,

Mike France"

The thing with the gong is something new (at least for me), until now I only knew about problems with the dial!

And this is how the one-year term that I predicted (February 2025) is starting to come closer to reality.
So what's the deal with the parts makers who tried to supply shoddy work to CW? Are we looking at a new gong factory?
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JAFO wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 8:35 pm . . . . .

So what's the deal with the parts makers who tried to supply shoddy work to CW? Are we looking at a new gong factory?
You tell us; or perhaps Mike France will know. :-k :-k

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