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Enzo wrote:Just received my viola Bel Canto today. Can someone tell me what size screwdriver I need to use so I can adjust the bracelet?
1.2mm

Edit Jan 23rd, 2024 - apologies for misinformation; it should be 1.4mm (which I have got)

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Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:48 am
Enzo wrote:Just received my viola Bel Canto today. Can someone tell me what size screwdriver I need to use so I can adjust the bracelet?
1.2mm

Edit Jan 23rd, 2024 - apologies for misinformation; it should be 1.4mm (which I have got)

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Does the Bel Canto have smaller screws because a 1.4mm screwdriver fits perfectly on my Twelve and Sealander bracelets?
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^^^^ @OllyW

I've no idea Olly.

I was advised to use a 1.2mm screwdriver for the C65 Aquitaine bracelet when that first came out, and it later worked fine on the Bel Canto bracelet.

I've not tried the Twelve or Sealander bracelets and I don't have a 1.4mm screwdriver, to compare.

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FYI....CW emailed me that I should use a 1.6mm screwdriver to resize the bracelet.
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OllyW wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:19 pm
Bahnstormer_vRS wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:48 am
Enzo wrote:Just received my viola Bel Canto today. Can someone tell me what size screwdriver I need to use so I can adjust the bracelet?
1.2mm

Edit Jan 23rd, 2024 - apologies for misinformation; it should be 1.4mm (which I have got)

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Does the Bel Canto have smaller screws because a 1.4mm screwdriver fits perfectly on my Twelve and Sealander bracelets?
@OllyW @Enzo

My apologies but, as I have edited in my post above, I should have suggested 1.4mm screwdriver for the Bel Canto as, having double checked last night in trying to size a bracelet with my smallest screwdrivers which wouldn't fit, I found they are actually 1.4mm (having bought them for a C65 Aquitaine0. This, the 1.4mm is the size I used for the Bel Canto.

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Hi folks,

I read the topic carefully because I am also looking for as much information as possible about Bel Canto.

I also read everything I could find on the internet, from seemingly reliable sources, about him.

I already own a CW Jumping Hour MK II and a C7 Rosso Corsa and the Bel Canto would be the "crown" of the collection!

I really like the watch and it seems special at an interesting price considering the "Sonnerie au passage" complication.

But after reading I still have some doubts.

On the one hand, the already long waiting time when placing the order, which is unfortunately not respected.

On the other hand, the accuracy, which at least seems to me to leave something to be desired. One forum member talked about 15 seconds a day, another 1 minute in 5 weeks.
I would like if there could be a feedback on this issue and from other members of the forum to see an average of the accuracy because in this price range I would expect more.

Also, regarding the color of the dial, it was said that the black would be more of a gray and the cielo, indoors, would have a silver hue. Can you confirm this information? I like very much the Cielo but also Nero would be a choice.

Last but not least, another member of the forum presented a video where it was seen that the chime does not start at a fixed time but about 30 seconds earlier.

I'm trying to figure out if these are rare problems or not so I know if I'm going on this adventure.

Thank you!

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zagado26 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:21 pm
On the other hand, the accuracy, which at least seems to me to leave something to be desired. One forum member talked about 15 seconds a day, another 1 minute in 5 weeks.
I would like if there could be a feedback on this issue and from other members of the forum to see an average of the accuracy because in this price range I would expect more.
1 minute in five weeks equates to less than two seconds per day, which is chronometer accuracy.

15 seconds per day is within tolerances for a Sellita SW200-1, but I don’t know what the stated tolerances are for the Bel Canto. As the dial is very small (or at least the timekeeping component is) and there is no seconds hand, it’s not easy to tell. I’m sure current owners will give you the benefit of their experience.
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Amor Vincit Omnia wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:39 pm
zagado26 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:21 pm
On the other hand, the accuracy, which at least seems to me to leave something to be desired. One forum member talked about 15 seconds a day, another 1 minute in 5 weeks.
I would like if there could be a feedback on this issue and from other members of the forum to see an average of the accuracy because in this price range I would expect more.
1 minute in five weeks equates to less than two seconds per day, which is chronometer accuracy.

15 seconds per day is within tolerances for a Sellita SW200-1, but I don’t know what the stated tolerances are for the Bel Canto. As the dial is very small (or at least the timekeeping component is) and there is no seconds hand, it’s not easy to tell. I’m sure current owners will give you the benefit of their experience.
Timing Tolerance +/- 20 sec p/day as stated on product page on CW site.
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zagado26 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:02 pm Timing Tolerance +/- 20 sec p/day as stated on product page on CW site.
Then 15 sec is within tolerance. Where’s the problem?
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Honestly, given how beautiful the watch is, I also expected a solution that would allow greater accuracy. But maybe I'm asking too much.
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@zagado26 It depends how important that is to you. A couple of points to note:

1. A lot of watches do in fact keep better time than the +/-20 claimed, but that is not guaranteed.

2. I have a MeisterSinger which I have taken as my only watch on a couple of holidays, so going through airports &c. Impossible to tell exactly how precise and accurate it is, being a single hander (I don’t put my watches on electronic contraptions), but it always seems to point to the correct 5-minute mark when it needs to.
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zagado26 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:48 am Honestly, given how beautiful the watch is, I also expected a solution that would allow greater accuracy. But maybe I'm asking too much.
It's possible I've been the most critical person on this forum about the Bel Canto, and about how Christopher Ward has handled its rollout and delivery. So with that said, my accuracy is roughly +5 seconds per day, and my chime happens exactly on the hour.
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Thank you for your feedback Spytap.

Can you confirm if the accuracy of the clock has improved over time because in your post of December 5, 2023 you said it was about 15 seconds per day?

And I would like to ask you folks if you can give me some feedback on how easy the dial is to read because there have been fellow forum members or reviewers who have complained about this.

Thank you again!
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zagado26 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:34 pm Thank you for your feedback Spytap.

Can you confirm if the accuracy of the clock has improved over time because in your post of December 5, 2023 you said it was about 15 seconds per day?

And I would like to ask you folks if you can give me some feedback on how easy the dial is to read because there have been fellow forum members or reviewers who have complained about this.

Thank you again!
Yes, as I wore it more often (I stopped treating it as a shiny new occasion watch, and started just wearing it every day) the accuracy improved. As far as dial legibility, it's perfectly fine for me (unless it's a dark room), but other folks I've showed it to had a hard time reading it. So I'd say it's a personal thing you may have to judge for yourself. But I can read it at a glance pretty easily.
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zagado26 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:21 pm On the other hand, the accuracy, which at least seems to me to leave something to be desired. One forum member talked about 15 seconds a day, another 1 minute in 5 weeks.
I would like if there could be a feedback on this issue and from other members of the forum to see an average of the accuracy because in this price range I would expect more.
Mine (which I've owned since November 2022), has been running continuously on a winder since receiving it, apart from a two week lull when on holiday last year.

In that time, it's maintained a pretty much constant +1 sec per day, which is exceptionally good :clap:

However, it's not COSC and so there could indeed be a much wider variation, and so +/- 15 secs per day, would still be well within spec.

Out of interest, I've worked out it's also chimed over 10,000 times without issue, and even under a loupe I can see no mark or damage where the hammer strikes the outer gong... that in itself is impressive :shock:
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