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lostguy wrote:30 seconds is too much and believe out of spec for this watch. You should think about returning it if this continues.
Wait a minute! Dazmoon, you said it was 30 seconds fast from when you set it two days ago so were talking 15 seconds per day, correct me if I’m wrong. That’s out of spec true but actually, not so bad to live with. I probably would not send it back. Take it to s jeweler and have them turn down the regulation. That should cut it down to about 7 or 8 seconds fast per day.
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lostguy wrote:30 seconds is too much and believe out of spec for this watch. You should think about returning it if this continues.
Wait a minute! Dazmoon, you said it was 30 seconds fast from when you set it two days ago so were talking 15 seconds per day, correct me if I’m wrong. That’s out of spec true but actually, not so bad to live with. I probably would not send it back. Take it to s jeweler and have them turn down the regulation. That should cut it down to about 7 or 8 seconds fast per day.
Yes correct, just checked it now and 3 days in it is 45 seconds fast so 15 per day.

Yes not too bad to live with but having taken on board the comments, if it is out of spec then it is out of spec.
How much will a jeweller charge when I can send it back to CW and get them to do it as part of the warranty ?
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Also don't get me wrong, I'm not anal about the time keeping qualities (although I am starting to sound like it) and if I wanted accuracy I would have stuck with my trusted 17 year old quartz.

If it was 15 sec a day out on an older watch then I would of course take it to a jeweller but it's 3 week old so I will give it a couple of weeks and if it stays as is or gets worse then I'll arrange a return
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Dazmoon wrote:Also don't get me wrong, I'm not anal about the time keeping qualities (although I am starting to sound like it) and if I wanted accuracy I would have stuck with my trusted 17 year old quartz.

If it was 15 sec a day out on an older watch then I would of course take it to a jeweller but it's 3 week old so I will give it a couple of weeks and if it stays as is or gets worse then I'll arrange a return
Yea, keep it a while and enjoy the newness a bit before sending it back, if you choose to do so. Look at it this way:
To be at the edge of being in spec, it would be 99.991% accurate.
Yours at 15 seconds per day fast is: 99.983% accurate. It's a tiny difference, isn't it and not bad really! It's amazing that something purely mechanical can be so accurate to begin with. Little tiny machines powered by the human touch and that's essentially it. The mainspring powers it, true, but without you transferring your energy to the mainspring it can’t run. The energy that powers your watch comes from you, not a battery. Rather profound, don't you think? Blows up my skirt!
Anyway, you have plenty of time to decide with the CW's warranty policy and that's a secure feeling to have.

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Thanks Russ
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lostguy wrote:30 seconds is too much and believe out of spec for this watch. You should think about returning it if this continues.
Wait a minute! Dazmoon, you said it was 30 seconds fast from when you set it two days ago so were talking 15 seconds per day, correct me if I’m wrong. That’s out of spec true but actually, not so bad to live with. I probably would not send it back. Take it to s jeweler and have them turn down the regulation. That should cut it down to about 7 or 8 seconds fast per day.
I thought he said 1 day. For 2 days that's not bad = 15 seconds per day which I think might be within specification (see the manual it will tell you).

See how it goes I guess. My C8 was 12 seconds fast initially but it's a solid 5-8 seconds slow per day now which is great in my opinion.
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No, specification of the 2824 and 2836 is +-7 seconds in a 24 hour period. 15 seconds is not bad, I agree but it would be my limit of acceptability without seeking adjustment. This watch has a thread-on case. If it had a back attached by screws I, myself might open it up and max out the adjustment. I would not take the chance trying to open a thread-on back and if that weren’t the main issue, dust from the air would surely be.
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Russ-Shettle wrote:No, specification of the 2824 and 2836 is +-7 seconds in a 24 hour period. 15 seconds is not bad, I agree but it would be my limit of acceptability without seeking adjustment. This watch has a thread-on case. If it had a back attached by screws I, myself might open it up and max out the adjustment. I would not take the chance trying to open a thread-on back and if that weren’t the main issue, dust from the air would surely be.
Sorry to disagree, but I think the specification of the 2824-2 is as follows...

- the Standard grade is adjusted in two positions with an average rate of +/-12 seconds/day, with a maximum daily variation of +/-30 seconds/day;
- the Elaborated grade is adjusted in three positions with an average rate of +/-7 seconds/day, with a maximum daily variation of +/-30 seconds/day;
- the Top grade is adjusted in five positions with an average rate of +/-4 seconds/day, with a maximum daily variation of +/-10 seconds/day.
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You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
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Russ-Shettle wrote:You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
My point is that the specification allows for a tolerance of +/- 30 seconds per day, rather than +/- 7. Therefore, at 15 seconds per day this watch is within specification.
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Russ-Shettle wrote:You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
OK, if that’s true then how it reads just sounds rather confusing. I question what “variation” means. How can you adjust something to +or- 7 seconds and still have a variation greater than that. I’ve got to think about this. If you can, please give me an example of how this can be.
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Russ-Shettle wrote:
Russ-Shettle wrote:You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
OK, if that’s true then how it reads just sounds rather confusing. I question what “variation” means. How can you adjust something to +or- 7 seconds and still have a variation greater than that. I’ve got to think about this. If you can, please give me an example of how this can be.
I agree, the wording can be confusing. My understanding is that the AVERAGE variation is +/-7, but the MAXIMUM variation is +/- 30.
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Russ-Shettle wrote:
Russ-Shettle wrote:You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
OK, if that’s true then how it reads just sounds rather confusing. I question what “variation” means. How can you adjust something to +or- 7 seconds and still have a variation greater than that. I’ve got to think about this. If you can, please give me an example of how this can be.
I agree, the wording can be confusing. My understanding is that the AVERAGE variation is +/-7, but the MAXIMUM variation is +/- 30.
OK, now that makes perfect sense. I think Kip suggested to send it back, if he chooses to, because he implied that it was out of specification and would be corrected by CW under the warranty free of charge. Perhaps that’s not the case however; CW would likely honor a customer’s wishes. What do you think?
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downer wrote:
Russ-Shettle wrote:
Russ-Shettle wrote:You added to what I said but thanks for giving me the whole description. However, you will have to explain to me how a variation of 30 seconds might apply in this case, if that’s were your are going. There is no variation going on. It’s out of spec because it runs consistently at 15 seconds per day.
OK, if that’s true then how it reads just sounds rather confusing. I question what “variation” means. How can you adjust something to +or- 7 seconds and still have a variation greater than that. I’ve got to think about this. If you can, please give me an example of how this can be.
I agree, the wording can be confusing. My understanding is that the AVERAGE variation is +/-7, but the MAXIMUM variation is +/- 30.
If it's consistently +15 seconds then surely the AVERAGE is +15 seconds also = out of spec ?
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Dazmoon,
If 15 seconds fast bugs you then get it fixed - either call CWL, find a local watchmaker or read the net, buy some tools and DIY.
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